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Scotty
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 883
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: We're not so bad off as I thought! |
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From a Scottish car magazine -
"The Manchester papers on Tuesday of last week created a scare by announcing that the next day (Wednesday) the price of motor spirit would rise by threepence per gallon.
There was a rush on the part of motor owners till late at night to get tanks full and a spare tin or two in hand. It turned out a canard, but motor traders have been getting in further big supplies, as some petrol distributors advised this course in reply to enquiries."
Dated - February 20th, 1925.
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poodge
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 687
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Well,that's a timely reminder.The price for 95 octane has just gone over the $2NZ today.$2.01.9,to be exact.
If I still had a job to go to,I couldn't afford to go to work!  |
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62rebel
Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 343 Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:01 am Post subject: |
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oooooh.... 95 octane.... sounds like sweet, sweet golden honey...
as for paying to go TO work; Monday AM filled one tank on the F150 and dropped $60.... it MIGHT last me all week.
i need to find a job closer to home AND stop driving that blasted truck.
i'm seriously considering another MGB. |
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clan chieftain

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 2041 Location: Motherwell
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: |
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When I started driving in 64 I could get 6 gallons for a quid. Mind you the wages were only 20 quid  _________________ The Clan Chieftain |
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Dirty Habit

Joined: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 398 Location: West Midlands, UK
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 4:51 am Post subject: |
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I was reading yesterday that we in the U.K. have the cheapest petrol in Europe............until Gordon adds all the taxes on !! Making us one of the most expensive  _________________ 1964 International Harvester |
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Greeney in France

Joined: 06 Mar 2008 Posts: 1173 Location: Limousin area of France
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: |
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71marina that would be more expensive than today if... that was the average wage you could buy 120gallons.
Today if an average wage is 300quid a week ish you could buy over double that for your weeks wages _________________ www.OldFrenchCars.com
We do these things not to escape life but to prevent life escaping us |
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Old-Nail

Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 853
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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But in 1925 Petrol would have been a specialist commodity and thus far more expensive to refine and produce, today not so.
In the 70's and 80's I did quite a bit of Motorcycle touring but was put off a big European trip by the cost of petrol abroad. If I remember rightly at the time it was around 30% more expensive than here in the UK.
Now due to the motorist becoming the 'cash cow' to bale out this woeful governments ineptitude we have overtaken Europe to become the most expensive.
The funny thing is that Gordon Brown just doesn't see it, they still intent to raise fuel duty again in October! I found the vintage picture of the US below quite indicative of modern Britain...the government say one thing the reality is another! It amazes me how our Politicians just don't get it.
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Scotty
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 883
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Old-Nail wrote: | Now due to the motorist becoming the 'cash cow' to bale out this woeful governments ineptitude we have overtaken Europe to become the most expensive.
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Never a truer word spoken ON, the motorist is being screwed into the ground, but at what eventual cost to others I'm constantly asking myself.
For every motorist driven off the road by whichever preferred apocolyptic demise of the world people choose to believe - either by drowning because we've melted all the ice or freezing to death because nobody can afford to switch on their radiators, I ask myself where are they going to get the money from next?
Mr Brown somehow managed to sell us a line when the s**t hit the fan about the increasing fuel costs by coming up with the wizzard wheeze of letting us know he won't be adding the next fuel duty increase later on this year to help us! The man's a genius, not only did he get people to be pleased he's not going to increase the fuel tax (yet!), but still managed to continue robbing us blind and the general public bought it.
Until the silent majority get up off their arses and start chewing the ears of MP's and local councillors we're going to be shafted by government, regardless of who you vote for.
I once saw a bit of graffiti on a wall in Glasgow and although its everything I stand against for I could see the logic in - DON'T VOTE, YOU'LL ONLY ENCOURAGE THEM!. But after Labour were thrown out here in Scotland following something like 5 decades of rule, the London mayoral elections and the recent by-election now it seems at long last the silent majority are finally voting in sufficient numbers to discourage them.
(Brilliant picture by the way. ) |
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Old-Nail

Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 853
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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I admit to being quite pessimistic when considering Britain's future. In the past when the various governments have lied to us it has been done with a certain amount elan, mixed with a degree of credibility in order that the public swallow the lie - no more!
You and I must pay more for our fuel because the planet is melting, should you be able to afford to drive an 8mpg Roller however, just so long as you hand over your taxes the planet will not melt any faster.
Young people in Britain are either topping themselves en-mass as in Wales, or drinking themselves into a stupor on street corners. This has absolutely nothing to do with the governments failure to improve education, job opportunities, or punish offenders correctly. Neither is it that they have witnessed a complete lack of moral guidance from their parents or teachers, nor is it the hopelessness they feel at knowing they can never own their own home, it is of course the fault of the alcohol manufacturers and the answer...raise the price of alcohol (and therefore revenue) to everyone..perfect -problem solved!
Our health service which used to be the envy of the world is in a state of near collapse...absolutely nothing to do with the amount of ineligible people gaining access to it, the huge influx of foreigners rei-introducing long eradicated diseases, or the doubling of Doctors pay for less work... it's the smokers who have cost the NHS so much... better increase duty on fags too then!
The Police are struggling to cope against a tidal wave of crime, many crimes are going unreported, the ones that are often go undetected. The government assures us that they are 'doing all that they can' to turn things around.
An Asian solicitor is trying to free Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper, from prison funded of course by legal aid payments. She believes by being locked up for 'life' his human rights have been infringed and wants a 'test case' to prove the point.
Perhaps she would be more usefully employed suing the British government for every death/murder/rape carried out on a British citizen by an illegal alien, due to NuLabours total incompetence where removing such people is concerned.
The first rule (and obligation) of a government is to keep it's people safe. Mass immigration, underfunding of the Police, failure to rescind the doctrine of 'Multiculturalism', and going to war in the middle east based on a tissue of lies has placed each and every one of us in peril.
Economically, the writing is on the wall for this nation, the future needs to be a place of radical change and re-thinking, and as for Blair, Brown and all the main cohorts of NuLabour, the architects of this situation...rather the inevitable be considered 'No fault of theirs' and they walk away to enjoy their plush pensions I believe we should put them all on trail as was done at Nuremburg!  |
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pigtin
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 1879 Location: Herne Bay
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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So many lamp-posts so little time. But remember: statistics will confirm 50% of the population is below average intelligence (sorry if I've said that before).
They voted Blair back in after he lied to take us into an illegal war.
The Americans elected Edward Kennedy as a Senator in spite of Chappaquiddick. So many people will vote as their father voted in spite of evidence of it's inadvisability.
But things like petrol are really starting to hurt everyone but who can get us out of this mess? Most MPs appear to be trough snufflers, the only thing we can do is to vote each party out after one term until they clean up their act... or hang em' all and start afresh.  |
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Greeney in France

Joined: 06 Mar 2008 Posts: 1173 Location: Limousin area of France
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | But remember: statistics will confirm 50% of the population is below average intelligence |
I wouldn't like to think that is correct although you could be right
What I personally think is that the 50% is just lazy, the trouble is most people want something for nothing and that includes not working for it
It has become a "have now" society without the need to work or save hard to get it.
I want a BMW because my neighbour has one NO I have the right to have one because my neighbour has one
I have the right to live in my village even though I can't afford the property there, so build me a special affordable house!
I tripped over the pavement the other day but it wasn't my fault so I am going to sue the council!
I have the right to cheap meat so turn a blind eye to the fact they have to pack 50 cows into a shed made for 10
Then again I live in France so I have complained with my feet _________________ www.OldFrenchCars.com
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Old-Nail

Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 853
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Greeney in France wrote: | | Then again I live in France so I have complained with my feet |
I have mixed feelings about this, simply because I would like to do the same
The statistics of this figure-fiddling government show that the net legal immigration figures are around 400,000 per annum.
What offsets that figure are the 200,000 Brits that bale out each year, voting with their feet indeed. Britain has less and less to offer as it becomes ever more estranged from those 'British values' old slack-jaw Brown dares to speak of - those same values his 'multiculturalist' agenda has helped destroy.
Part of me would dearly like to give the place up and leave it to suffer the inevitable slide into civil unrest, while another part of me feels that I should stay and join those that would correct the decline.
I mentioned in another post that my father at 80, an active man is living his twilight years mainly indoors because of our poor weather, he is unable to leave his home at night for fear of attack, and yet is still paying rent and council tax because he had the foresight to take out a private pension. I don't want that for myself, I don't want it for my remaining son, (I had two sons until Christmas 2001 when the eldest was shot dead on his first day at work) and I will not be told to deny the evidence of my own eyes by any government...especially one so famous for 'spin'.
I can't recall the owner of the quote about 'The price of freedom is eternal vigilance', but I do know the British public have been asleep for quite some time, and as a result their freedoms have indeed been eroded. Thankfully, there seems to have been an awakening, those by election results are not as Labour would have it 'Sending us a clear message', they are more 'Warning you of your fate come the general election'. I can't say a toff' public schoolboy who has never had a proper job such as Mr. Cameron fills me with renewed hope either, perhaps we should all emigrate!  |
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pigtin
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 1879 Location: Herne Bay
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry Greeney... trick question. 50% of any group of people will be below the average (50%) for the group... Lies, damned lies and statistics I think they say.
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Greeney in France

Joined: 06 Mar 2008 Posts: 1173 Location: Limousin area of France
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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There are a 1000 reasons why I left the UK but one of my biggest was my children as with any of us I suppose
I was raised on a farm and although a big concern with nearly 1000acres we knew what hard work was and what can be achieved with a bit of thought
I knew where things came from
My foster son who comes home from school waving a certificate in the air he got A+ for drawing around his hand at the age of 12
My own son had his sports day cancelled because competition isn't good for the loser, they were banned from taking conkers to school in case someone got hurt with one
When I moved here our house was so derelict we lived in caravans for a year, NO TV for 18months, a very basic 3kw electricity supply and a thunderbox for a toilet until the fosse septique had been installed.
We have chickens, sheep, ducks and pigs for food not as pets, I have proudly taught my son to hunt with a gun but to respect wildlife too
We grow our own vegetables and ultimately have turned a 300yr old derelict farmhouse with a tree growing out of the roof to a beautiful home.
My kids now speak French fluently too and I am very proud of them all
This exercise has taught all 3 of them where things come from and they are not to be taken for granted I know life moves on but that doesn't mean to say we have to just accept it without a fight _________________ www.OldFrenchCars.com
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pigtin
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 1879 Location: Herne Bay
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Really envy you Greeney and admire your determination. I realized something was going wrong in the 15 years ago but was an invalid at the time and had to go-with-the-flow. By 2000 I was comparatively fit again but trying to rebuild the family business with my sons. Now with my 70th birthday coming up, living in a quiet area surrounded by friends and family I worry about what my grandchildren have to face, betrayed by self-serving politicians and "trendy" Guardian readers; (the politicians are not entirely to blame.)
I really feel for people trapped in inner city and similar criminal infested areas and despair that there are still so many living in safe environments who think they can afford to be liberal and tolerant to this scum, as long as it dosen't affect them... rant, rant etc, (I feel better now). |
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