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Nic Jarman

Joined: 05 Oct 2008 Posts: 1031 Location: Stoke by Clare, Suffolk
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:06 pm Post subject: FORD PINTO EFI |
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Does anyone know about Pinto EFI engines and in particular the ECU module? Pat's has a 3.0ltr Taurus/Sable module in it. Could this be OK?
Thanks Nic _________________ 1936 Morris 8 Series 1
1973 MGB roadster
1977 MG Midget 1500
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MVPeters

Joined: 28 Aug 2008 Posts: 822 Location: Northern MA, USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:17 am Post subject: |
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I can check with our garage mechanics in the morning, but my first reaction is no. My understanding is that the ECM has to be for the exact same make/model/spec.
Exactly what do you have? A 2litre Pinto with a 3litre Sable ECM? (Why? !!) Does it 'work'? or are there specific problems? There may be a workaround. _________________ Mike - MVPeters at comcast.net
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Roger-hatchy

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:52 am Post subject: |
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I've parsed it over to a Ford biased classic forum.
Essexclassics
Someone might be able to help.
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victor 101
Joined: 03 Apr 2009 Posts: 446 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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If the motor runs okay and your happy with performance and economy I wouldnt worry, it might have been reprogrammed. |
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Nic Jarman

Joined: 05 Oct 2008 Posts: 1031 Location: Stoke by Clare, Suffolk
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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It hardly runs under 2000 rpm. I have checked most of the sensors but cannot find the Engine position/rpm sensor. It sounds awesome when it is revved. _________________ 1936 Morris 8 Series 1
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1977 MG Midget 1500
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Nic Jarman

Joined: 05 Oct 2008 Posts: 1031 Location: Stoke by Clare, Suffolk
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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I had a long chat with Andrew at The ECU Doctor and his opinion is that a V6 ECU cannot be reprogrammed to run a 4 cylinder engine. I managed to find out the part number for a Pinto EFI ECU and found one on Ebay today. So I will keep you informed. _________________ 1936 Morris 8 Series 1
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1977 MG Midget 1500
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MVPeters

Joined: 28 Aug 2008 Posts: 822 Location: Northern MA, USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Nic
It will be interesting to see the outcome of this. In the process you're raising the issue that future generations of preservationists will have to learn new (non-traditional?) skills for - ie computers.
I'm pretty convinced that many parts on 'modern' cars, especially electrical parts, are deliberately designed to fail after a certain period of time or distance. We have 6 2006/7/8 Mercury Grand Marqius' with a computer-controlled heating & A/C system (set the temperature & forget it). Every single one has failed. If I, as a private owner, had one of these, I'd be pretty annoyed to have to spend $600 on a new control unit after only 2 or 3 years & out of warranty. These cars all have 200,000+ miles, but what does the heating system have to do with mileage?
Some electronically equipped cars are already approaching 'classic' status. Time to start learning, methinks. _________________ Mike - MVPeters at comcast.net
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Nic Jarman

Joined: 05 Oct 2008 Posts: 1031 Location: Stoke by Clare, Suffolk
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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I think I have narrowed it down to the TFI unit (Thick Film Ignition), or is that setting fire to a DVD of Dumb and Dumber? This is the unit that "fires" the coil, oh well it's only money. _________________ 1936 Morris 8 Series 1
1973 MGB roadster
1977 MG Midget 1500
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Nic Jarman

Joined: 05 Oct 2008 Posts: 1031 Location: Stoke by Clare, Suffolk
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:00 am Post subject: |
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I cleaned the backplate of the TFI module, replaced the heatsink compound, checked the earthing and clamped it to an earthed bit of chassis. It is now firing on all 4 pots again but still too rough to take for a blast.
EDIT - I think I will have a look for an air leak. The Idle Speed Valve seems to be wide open, umm. _________________ 1936 Morris 8 Series 1
1973 MGB roadster
1977 MG Midget 1500
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Nic Jarman

Joined: 05 Oct 2008 Posts: 1031 Location: Stoke by Clare, Suffolk
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Big step forward. I took the injectors out and found that when the engine was put in the car the fuel line was not cleaned out. . Water must have got into the fuel rail and there was allsorts of cr&p in the injectors. I have blown them through and the car runs a lot better with the timing at 6deg BTDC not 25deg BTDC . The idle bypass valve has been replaced but it is not openning when the engine is switched off - the ECU should do this. We love a challenge. _________________ 1936 Morris 8 Series 1
1973 MGB roadster
1977 MG Midget 1500
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