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47p2
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 Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:13 pm Post subject: Gets on my goat |
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Just read this ebay advert where the vendor says!!!
| Quote: | | I would like to sell the car with the number plate as it is the original but is not included in the price but I am willing to discuss a price. |
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Why after 75 years would anyone in their right mind want to split them up. Just sell the car for a bit more but please leave it as it is.............
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Bayliss Thomas
Joined: 25 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Quite agree, its as bad as motor traders that strip off the number plates before they resell the vehicle. I wish that this practice would be made illegal. |
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Rick
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Castellated nut
Joined: 08 Dec 2007
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Location: Shropshire, UK
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Rick wrote: | | Wasn't there talk of DVLA bringing in a scheme whereby a car's owner can apply to have their car's existing reg. no. made non-transferable? |
Every time this possibility has been raised in the past DVLA have kicked it into touch because they claim it needs "primary legislation" (i.e. Act of Parliament). The subject was brought up again a few months ago, but I haven't heard anything of it since.
I've been meaning to check with the FBHVC to see if it is still on the cards. I have a bike with a very 'good' number which I'd like to get rid of, but I'm afraid if I sold it the reg. would be on a Beemer before it got to the end of the road!
P.S. I have just emailed FBHVC. Will post response. |
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Bayliss Thomas
Joined: 25 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| So it needs one of the petitions of 100,000 votes to get the Parliament to consider discussing the issue. Unlikely with so much going on. |
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Castellated nut
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A bit off-topic I'm afraid, but for those who haven't seen it, here's another slice of vandalism to spoil your day on PreWarCar. Some low-life (in the Netherlands) wanting to flog the body from a nice Derby Bentley sports saloon so he can build some sort of Bentley special. The advert in question is here.
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Rick
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| Castellated nut wrote: | A bit off-topic I'm afraid, but for those who haven't seen it, here's another slice of vandalism to spoil your day on PreWarCar. Some low-life (in the Netherlands) wanting to flog the body from a nice Derby Bentley sports saloon so he can build some sort of Bentley special. The advert in question is here.
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Yes I've been reading about that act of vandalism elsewhere, goes on a lot doesn't it sadly. '30s Bentley and Riley saloons need to be looking over their shoulders.
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lowdrag
Joined: 10 Apr 2009
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Location: Le Mans
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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I've never sold the numbers of my cars. However, out of interest I had a value done and it comes to quite a tidy sum. Perhaps it's how some people make thir living, and imagine if, being like us, you sell your pride and joy to a "collector" who then promptly sells the plate for more than the price you sold the car! In effect, you've given him the car. I guess there will always be two sides to this story.
However,I've got th DVLA to sell a few plates in my time, but my ideas came to naught when for my D-type I asked them to sell 1 OKV to 3 OKV, the 1954 works car numbers reversed. I was gobsmacked to see them go or up to £11,000 and needless to say I didn't buy one. In that case, the number already on the car not being original anyway, I could see no harm and only an enhancement to my pleasure. |
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Handyman
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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Location: Up in't clouds in Sunny Sussex.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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I thought DVLA could fix the registration of a vehicle so it could never be sold on, seperately from the original vehicle.
I've had a few motorcycles that I've restored and obtained either the original registration number or an age related number and I'm sure the forms had a tck box where you could specify that vehicle and reg number were never to be parted.
Was a few years ago and I know DVLA make it up as they go along, as long as they can earn of few bucks out of us mug motorists. 
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Rick
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Handyman wrote: | I thought DVLA could fix the registration of a vehicle so it could never be sold on, seperately from the original vehicle.
I've had a few motorcycles that I've restored and obtained either the original registration number or an age related number and I'm sure the forms had a tck box where you could specify that vehicle and reg number were never to be parted.
Was a few years ago and I know DVLA make it up as they go along, as long as they can earn of few bucks out of us mug motorists.
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I know if you get an age-related number put on to a car that's missed computerisation in the 70s for instance, or manage to re-claim a number that had fallen off the system at some point in the past, they automatically become non-transferable.
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Castellated nut
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Rick's right. If you get an 'age-related' number, or recover an original number via the V765 form for a "barn-find" vehicle it's non-transferable. That is to stop people playing the system and recovering a number just so they can sell it on.
If you have a vehicle with its original number already registered on the database there is no way of protecting it. |
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gresham flyer
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:24 am Post subject: |
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THE DVLA HAVE AUCTIONS THAT SELL NUMBER PLATES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ISSUED,SO THEY ARE ON THE BANDWAGON THEMSELVES.
I RANG A CHAP THE OTHER MONTH ABOUT A CAR,THE CONVERSATION STARTED WITH HIM TELLING ME HOW MUCH THE PLATE WAS WORTH,THEN A PRICE FOR THE CAR.
I ASKED HIM TO KEEP THE PLATE JUST SELL ME THE CAR,HE DID NOT GO ALONG WITH MY SUGGESTION.
PEOPLE ARE EVEN TAKING THE RADIOS OUT OF CARS AND SELLING THEM SEPERATLY.
A JAGUAR MK2 TOOL KIT WILL BAG YOU AN EXTRA £200 +.IF YOU REMOVE IT.
IT IS A FORM OF ASSET STRIPPING IN THE CLASSIC CAR MOVEMENT.
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traction39
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:19 am Post subject: |
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More annoying is when you have tracked down the original number, obtained evidence from a record office of the original first registration against chassis number etc. only to find that the DVLA say it is not available. Furthermore an MID check shows it is "uninsured" and presumably languishing in a garage never being used!! 
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Castellated nut
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| gresham flyer wrote: | | THE DVLA HAVE AUCTIONS THAT SELL NUMBER PLATES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ISSUED,SO THEY ARE ON THE BANDWAGON THEMSELVES. |
DVLA also sells numbers from vehicles exported or scrapped. As a way of securing the reg. on the bike I mentioned I contemplated the idea of declaring it exported, leaving it just long enough for the DVLA system to be updated, but not so long that DVLA had auctioned off the number, then 're-importing' it and applying to recover the original number under the V765 scheme, which would make it non-transferable. Timing could be tricky, though!
There are some at the edge of the motorcycle scene that will buy an original machine, sell the plate, and then break up the bike to sell the parts separately on eBay, the parts making more separately than they are worth assembled. |
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Castellated nut
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard back from the FBHVC re. the possiblity of owners being enabled to make the original reg. numbers of their vehicles non-transferable:
"This matter is still at the pre-consultation stage but we have been told
unofficially that DVLA are not opposed to the idea"
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