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peter scott
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| Penman wrote: | | Peter: driving down a major road with a higher limit if there is a fixed camera on a road crossing over or under my Sat Nav will often give a lower speed warning even though it knows I am still on the major road |
That's rather cute! Better safe than sorry.
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Ray White
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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I have never used a sat nav. Then again, I have never needed one. Never been done for speeding either...or parking...etc. 
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Penman
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Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Ray, there is using and using, when I was delivering courtesy cars anywhere in the country for the crash repair company, it was on as a rolling road map to which I could refer if circumstances demanded a change of route, rather than follow the Highways Agency's suggested diversions. I could get to around 2-3 mls of any destination and then use it for premises location. It was also useful to be ablee to give the client a 30min or so warning of my arrival.
I very rarely even looked at it on the return trip even to find my way back to the main route back home.
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Ray White
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Location: Derby
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Before we decided on running our own business here in Derbyshire, Jean and I worked for a computer stationery and security print company.
For 15 years I delivered printed computer stationery all over the country and after a while I could go straight to almost any address in England without more than a cursory glance at the map.
I doubt I could do it now. 
We had a so called Transport Manager who, when consulting the map one day, seriously suggested that I take the straight road marked in black.
I had to explain to him that it was a railway line.
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
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Location: Edinburgh
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Ray White wrote: | | I have never used a sat nav. |
Until recently I always just used a road atlas but when I thought we were taking the SS touring in Netherlands and Germany I thought it might save me the effort of looking for road signs.
That trip has been delayed and delayed and still won't happen until next year now but 9 months ago we changed our modern and satnav was built-in to the "new" car. It didn't have the speed limits until I updated the firmware and I confess that it also beeps on approach to cameras.
It also has collision avoidance that beeps when it thinks I am approaching something too fast. It does alarm sometimes under silly circumstances but it really surprised me last week. I was driving in the inside lane of the dual carriageway with quite a wide grass central region.
There was no other vehicle in front of me but about 100 yards away an ambulance with blue flashing light was approaching along the opposite carriageway, (so well separated sideways) but the collision alarm went off because I was travelling towards a blue flashing light! 
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Ray White
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Jean had a new Vauxhall Mokka with a sat nav built in. Unfortunately, it was in German!
The Main Dealers tried to fix it but took too long about it. Unlike me, Jean has a short fuse and the car was returned to them. She never had another Vauxhall.
The Lexus, on the other hand, has superlative build quality and the sat nav is in English. As with all the technology it is highly sophisticated.
Personally, I prefer to not have ANY distractions when I am driving. |
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badhuis
Joined: 20 Aug 2008
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Location: Netherlands
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Ray White wrote: | Jean had a new Vauxhall Mokka with a sat nav built in. Unfortunately, it was in German!
The Main Dealers tried to fix it but took too long about it. Unlike me, Jean has a short fuse and the car was returned to them. She never had another Vauxhall. |
When I got my "modern" (then 12 years old) Jaguar X-type 6 years ago, it was an import from Germany. All messages and sat nav was in German but a local Jaguar specialist just changed it to English. How, I do not know.
Very strange that a Vauxhall dealer cannot switch languages. It has to be a setting somewhere, maybe not possible for us dumb endusers but should be possible for the dealers with their up to date expensive Vauxhall/Opel exclusive readout software hardware.
| Ray White wrote: | | Personally, I prefer to not have ANY distractions when I am driving. |
There are some very nice, verrry long straight desert roads in N America or Australia.
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ukdave2002
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Every modern that I have had in the last 20 years, has had a simple menu system to change things like language and units of measure, odd the Vauxhall dealership could not rectify?
The best feature imho of modern sat navs is the traffic feature that can divert you as live events occur, I have ignored it a couple of times and paid the price by being stuck in a jam!
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Ray White
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I am not likely to be found driving in America or Australia. Even so I am rather unsociable behind the wheel. I won't even have music playing let alone use a phone ...and I tend to not engage in conversation with passengers.!
My mind is on the driving and not much else. |
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MVPeters
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:30 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, Ray, I thought I was the only one who thinks that way!
I turn the radio on to check on traffic reports occasionally, but that's about it.
I do use a 'map' for areas that I am not familiar with - it's an analog GPS/SATNAV.
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peter scott
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I too prefer no radio distraction and my passengers will find that my brain has switched them off too if it needs road concentration.
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MikeEdwards
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| Ray White wrote: | | What I would like to know is: can these driverless cars read road signs? How else will they know the speed limit? |
My mate's Ford (from 2016) displays the speed limit on the dash, whether he's using the sat-nav or not. I had presumed that was from the sat-nav map data, but apparently it also has a camera that can read road signs - evidenced by the fact that it displays the correct speed limit when in road works.
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alastairq
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| Ray White wrote: | I am not likely to be found driving in America or Australia. Even so I am rather unsociable behind the wheel. I won't even have music playing let alone use a phone ...and I tend to not engage in conversation with passengers.!
My mind is on the driving and not much else. |
A kindred spirit at last...I just knew there was someone else out there on the roads with the same attitudes.
As a retired instructor from the driver education industry, one develops a very keen sense of impending disaster out on the roads.
Especially when instructing in a vehicle without 'dual controls', and where the driver already has the vocational licence categories [Cat C+E LGV, for example]...one must never take any physical action with a licence holder......[it could bounce back on one at a later date]....so all we had was the 6th , 7th & 8th sense of impending doom, and a kindly [or, otherwise] word at a timely point in proceedings, to exercise control over what the big vehicle will actually do, in order to 'save the day'...
Of course, it would have been up to the driver to listen to the advice....
[They would have to ''get past'' me or my colleagues, before proceeding further along the 'driving' chain... Quite a few didn't....not for a few more days, anyway.}
Previously as a bus driver I cannot ever recall really having to take 'sudden evasive action' that ordinary car drivers so often bleat about..
Evasive action of the dramatic sort is simply a no-no with a bus.
One's 'load' being a free moving, not hanging on, mass of humanity.
Very quickly one developed a keen sense of anticipation...eyes and ears first...in order to avoid being surprised [which is how sudden evasive action stats]...
Yup, I had many pedestrians suddenly 'leaping out in front'....Many vehicle drivers suddenly diving across, or cutting us up...
The trick was, to never be moving faster than one's brain could work.
I think todays cars can indeed move a lot faster, much more easily, than the drivers' brains can work....
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Ray White
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| alastairq wrote: |
The trick was, to never be moving faster than one's brain could work.
I think todays cars can indeed move a lot faster, much more easily, than the drivers' brains can work.... |
That is saying it as it is.
I don't know if you ever met the late Ted Clements? He used to be the Chief Examiner for the I.A.M. Ted took a similar approach to you. |
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alastairq
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| Ray White wrote: | | alastairq wrote: |
The trick was, to never be moving faster than one's brain could work.
I think todays cars can indeed move a lot faster, much more easily, than the drivers' brains can work.... |
That is saying it as it is.
I don't know if you ever met the late Ted Clements? He used to be the Chief Examiner for the I.A.M. Ted took a similar approach to you. |
I was a Specialist Instructor with the MoD....I tended to avoid the likes of the IAM, or RoSPA...although many of my colleagues [there were in fact, hundreds of us]...were involved. Indeed, I bought my short-lived SAAB 900 Turbo from a colleague, ex-Police, and still [?] a IAM aficionado.
I learnt an awful lot as time passed, about the essentials of 'driving'....essential if instructing others.
I worked at the Defence School of Transport, at one time noted to be the world's largest single venue driver training establishment.
The advantage to some one like me, who had a deep rooted interest in things driving, was the variety of training that was conducted on site...and that, with a little bit of effort, I could do all sorts of different, driver-related, jobs.
I spent nearly 5 years initially, doing what we called, ''Licence Acquisition''...
The MoD were keen to be very prices with what they called every thing...
Hence nobody taught anybody, ''to drive!''
In the world of training and edumacating, in fact, no-one can teach anyone to 'drive', since 'being able to drive' cannot be quantified, assessed, or 'quality controlled'.
In simple terms, having apparently taught someone ''to drive'', whose standards are being applied to show that the task has been achieved, and that the recipient can, in fact, 'drive?'
Yours? Mine? Or the fella's over the road?
We all have vastly different ideas about what is needed to be able to 'drive'.
Thus, like 'being taught to cook,' there are standards and levels that have to be achieved.
The DVSA set the ''syllabus'' for the basic [Cat B] driving test [and all the others]...and an Instructor then knows at least what has to be achieved by the student.
Hence, we didn't teach [military personnel] to 'drive', but put them through ''Licence Acquisition'....which neatly sums up the initial objective.
For the test was the 'quality control' that told anyone that the objectives had been met, by the student. Hence, the instruction was to the standard required.
The only variable was, the time taken for a student to reach the required standard.
Our Examiners were ordinary boddz like me [paid more or less the same, as were we all]...DDEs who were 'governed' by the DVSA, thus they had to maintain exactly the same standards of assessment as civilian Examiners..
Indeed, during the recent pandemic, and aftermath, the DDE's did much to assist with the backlog of driving tests locally...
My favourite past-time [at work] was the off-road driver training, of which there was a lot.
I got to mess with a lot of military wheels [and otherwise] stuff, all good fun for an underlying enthusiast.
As it is now:
https://www.army.mod.uk/who-we-are/our-schools-and-colleges/transport/
Things [policies] changed over the decades....I spent the last 15 years within what became known as MDTS...with excursions into specialist Transport & Management Sqdn...
Loads of overtime, at taxpayers' expense.....due to most of the practical training having to be conducted, ''by day & by night'..Which meant, what was done in daylight, also had to be done after dark..
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