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P3steve
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 Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:49 pm Post subject: Brake shoe rivet Punch's |
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| Any body know who sells the Punch's for fitting the rivets on brake shoes. |
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Riley Blue
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P3steve
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| Top man - thanks will give them a ring |
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buzzy bee
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Hi
I just used normal rivet snaps in the past
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jessejazza
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| standardsteve wrote: | | Top man - thanks will give them a ring |
So will i... i'm glad my eye caught this thread. I didn't think it was possible 'due to safety reasons' - i know someone who will put linings on shoes but they charge a horrendous price. i didn't pursue the matter further as i thought they now had to be glued. |
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jessejazza
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| buzzy bee wrote: | Hi
I just used normal rivet snaps in the past
Cheers
Dave |
what are rivet snaps? |
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P3steve
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:21 am Post subject: |
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(Quote - what are snap rivits)
pop rivets I guess
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Roger-hatchy
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Location: Tiptree, Essex
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Rivet Snaps?
Don't know?
Google it 10,010,000 pages might throw some light on it. |
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MVPeters
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:57 am Post subject: |
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If pop rivets & rivet snaps are the hollow ones applied with a squeezy gun, I want to throw in a HUGE note of caution about NOT using them for brake linings - they are simply not the right thing.
If http://www.autoandindustrial.co.uk/index.php?webpage=brake-linings or similar are not suitable, try a local truck repair shop who should have the correct equipment.
Note also that some brake shoes are "bonded" which implies pressure & maybe heat, not "glued" - & I don't think rivets and bonding are used together.
You really can't take any chances with brakes.
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Roger-hatchy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:17 am Post subject: |
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RIVET SNAPS
Rivet snaps being refereed to are the tools used to set and fit rivets
If you Look at the sites that come up, UK sites, you will see the tools we are referring too.
You can even google How to use the TOOL.
Snap rivets are the hollow rivets, mainly plastic or nylon,
Rivet Snaps are tools used to set rivets.
But as stated NEVER NEVER use pop rivets for anything to do with brakes.
When working for Standard, then VW, brakes was the area I spent most time on, Bonded brake shoes were always sent away as exchange units as it is a specialised process.
Most brake shoes can be source as exchange units, at reasonable cost.
You might be suprised at the number of different car makers use the same shoe.
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Classic_Dave
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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Location: Stafford
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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About 20 yrs ago, with an oldish fiesta, brought as an infill between cars.
When trying to reverse the rear brakes were locking, managed to move forward ok and return home. On inspection after removing both drums both linings had come away from the shoes.
Don't know was it a bodge from previous owner or cheap replacements. |
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Phil - Nottingham
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A knowlegable Old Rover supplier gave a warning recently that alloy/aluminium brakes shoes used on some pre-war Rovers (and also other cars and motorbikes) must always have the linings riveted on and NEVER have them bonded as the alloy layer on which the glue sticks oxidises and parts company with the shoe.
I always thought the tool was the snap - some lining rivets have hollow ends to give a wider flange when set
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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
I can remember helping my father rivet linings on the Austin Ten.
He had a flat punch the size of the recesses in the lining, held in the vice. and I seem to remember him using 2 different punches from the other side, the first one was slightly concave and he finished of with another flat punch..
My job was to hold the shoe and lining in place on the punch held in the vice, he was using solid copper rivets not hollows or splits.
The lower punch could have been replaced with anything of suitable diameter held in the vice.
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jessejazza
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| Roger-hatchy wrote: | RIVET SNAPS
a] Rivet snaps being refereed* to are the tools used to set and fit rivets
If you Look at the sites that come up, UK sites, you will see the tools we are referring too.
b] You can even google How to use the TOOL.
Snap rivets are the hollow rivets, mainly plastic or nylon,
Rivet Snaps are tools used to set rivets.
c]But as stated NEVER NEVER use pop rivets for anything to do with brakes.
When working for Standard, then VW, brakes was the area I spent most time on, Bonded brake shoes were always sent away as exchange units as it is a specialised process.
Most brake shoes can be source as exchange units, at reasonable cost.
You might be suprised at the number of different car makers use the same shoe.
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a] That doesn't seem to be exactly the case from what i've read. i] There are 'rivet snaps' (look like a round punch) and ii] there are 'rivet sets' (rectangular cross section that has one end for forming the rivet head (presumably so that it can be held in a vice)) and the other end has the punch. There are also what are called a 'rivet snap / setup and snap' which i assume refers to ii].
b] & c] as your proficient in its use perhaps you could recommend one of them. One i looked at was from India... mostly about plastic ones... i didn't spot one that showed clearly using a 'rivet set'... better off looking on youtube (which i'll do in a few mins). Google on this occasion wasn't so good for me.
I couldn't see any hollow rivets that would be suitable for brake shoes. The rivets i remember on brake shoes on the non contact side seemed to be a neatly formed ring - i don't see how that can be formed with the hollow ended rivet snap. The reason one shouldn't use pop rivets is their lack of shear strength - formed rivets being strong in shear.
thanks
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MVPeters
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