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alan 869



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the perks of being the chairman of the -Campingveterans- This guy took a belgian Constructam that wa in really nice condition and gave it a paint job for thousands (he showed me the bills with pride). Metalic Candy, just the same as his monstrosity that is pulling it. Didn´t get a photo from the front (like they all used to do)..... Had to use the loo...



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Dyna



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like the travel trailer behind the 58 Olds actually, maybe the purple color looks better in the picture than it does in real - to me it looks like a genuine 58 Olds color (but if it's candy it's not).

In regards to Laura Ashley, and all while she has done some fantasic designs in it self it's not much that goes along with a vintage caravan - they were either cheap and simple or posh with an oak clad interior.

For me when I see it painted in chic colors and wallpapers etc it just simply scares me, I bet it's a simple way of hiding all the bad walls and similar.. Like along the lines get it dry and smell free (but not water tight) - then paint over all the nasty bits and flog it to some unsuspecting......

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alan 869



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course. It is probably the original car colour.... two tone. he spent thousand and thousand on it so it was really immaculate. Chromed bits all over the place, no expense spared. What it had to do with veteran camping I don´t know. He should of (and probably did) keep to the Oldsmobile club. To me it´s just garish. -Look at me- See how much money I can throw away on something that is not the one or the other- Still he seemed happy. He got -noticed- so he achieved his aim.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alan 869 wrote:
Of course. It is probably the original car colour.... two tone. he spent thousand and thousand on it so it was really immaculate. Chromed bits all over the place, no expense spared. What it had to do with veteran camping I don´t know. He should of (and probably did) keep to the Oldsmobile club. To me it´s just garish. -Look at me- See how much money I can throw away on something that is not the one or the other- Still he seemed happy. He got -noticed- so he achieved his aim.


Maybe ...just possibly maybe ....

He did it because he liked the idea AND presuming it was HIS caravan then so what ????
I'd rather anything was "used" AND enjoyed rather than left to moulder away. Ok it might not be your taste (or mine for that matter) BUT it's his van and he can do as he likes with it as can anyone else.
Our Cheltenham isn't period perfect BUT it's used and loved (we are away in it between xmas eve and beyond New year) and it's comfy for us and our 4 dogs.I'd rather be using it than trying to chase "rare" bit's down and being frightened to use it for the sake of it getting worn/used.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alan 869 wrote:
Of course. It is probably the original car colour.... two tone. he spent thousand and thousand on it so it was really immaculate. Chromed bits all over the place, no expense spared. What it had to do with veteran camping I don´t know. He should of (and probably did) keep to the Oldsmobile club. To me it´s just garish. -Look at me- See how much money I can throw away on something that is not the one or the other- Still he seemed happy. He got -noticed- so he achieved his aim.



I see he has taken some of the olds chrome goodies and applied them to the trailer. Didn't spot that one first.. yes can agree thats a bit much of icing of the cake. Although some custom work was done on trailer back then too, people with money would color code the trailer to the same color as the car for example.

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alan 869



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear me we are getting upset arn´t we. I didn´t say that it wasn´t his to do with as he pleased. For what it was it was very good but nothing to do with period swedish camping. American car and Belgian van As it´s not my thing and after 7 years could see that this sort of thing was all the rage in the american car fraternity, then of course, I stepped down and let someone else have a go. You seem to be very knowledgable about this man. Do you know him? Talked to him? He said to me that -If you want to get noticed then... But of course you would know about that already.

Why do you assume that if he hadn´t renovated it, it would have rotted away. The actual van was in excellent condition when he bought it (but you would know that as well).

Again, I can´t see that I´ve said that he shouldn´t have done it, of course, up to him (or maybe I´ve missed something?). As the chairman for the Veteran Campers of Sweden I had a certain picture of what the general public would expect of -veteran camping- This wasn´t it and I didn´t feel like -duping the public-

Why shouldn´t a period van be used and loved? You seem to be acusing me of things I haven´t said. By the way, the van in question was only used for shows, not holidays or periods between xmas and beyond. Your last sentance I agree with so I don´t know where you are trying to go. If you are saying that I don´t use my vans then you are mistaken. You can use the van and hunt down bits, lots of fun. Hope you have a good time with the dogs this Xmas Smile
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alan 869



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dyna wrote:
alan 869 wrote:
Of course. It is probably the original car colour.... two tone. he spent thousand and thousand on it so it was really immaculate. Chromed bits all over the place, no expense spared. What it had to do with veteran camping I don´t know. He should of (and probably did) keep to the Oldsmobile club. To me it´s just garish. -Look at me- See how much money I can throw away on something that is not the one or the other- Still he seemed happy. He got -noticed- so he achieved his aim.



I see he has taken some of the olds chrome goodies and applied them to the trailer. Didn't spot that one first.. yes can agree thats a bit much of icing of the cake. Although some custom work was done on trailer back then too, people with money would color code the trailer to the same color as the car for example.

Cheers Dyna


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Photo taken by the manufacturers when the owner came to collect the van, 1955. The factory made busses mainly. Some very nice tourers amoungst others. About 35 vans made totally. This was the last one. The owner bought the Ford new and had the van made and painted to what he wanted. Cream and turquoise. They had to send off to the states to get the paint for the van (I´ve interviewed his widow - not just conjecture, and talked to the old employees) The van was only a bit short of the price of a new Volvo PV. The car and van still exist. There weren´t many in 1955 who could afford this sort of set up. So as a curiosum it´s good but hardly representative of the normal -camping scene- of the period. I have one of the first vans made (1949) and no I don´t use it as it needs renovating BUT it´s on new tyres, it´s dry and it´s in the shed at the bottom of the garden waiting it´s turn And yes, if I hadn´t rescued it it would have moulded away. AND as I´m alowed to do with it as I please, it will be returned to the same condition/paintwork as when it left the factory...
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mistericeman



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alan 869 wrote:
Dear me we are getting upset arn´t we. I didn´t say that it wasn´t his to do with as he pleased. For what it was it was very good but nothing to do with period swedish camping. American car and Belgian van As it´s not my thing and after 7 years could see that this sort of thing was all the rage in the american car fraternity, then of course, I stepped down and let someone else have a go. You seem to be very knowledgable about this man. Do you know him? Talked to him? He said to me that -If you want to get noticed then... But of course you would know about that already.

Why do you assume that if he hadn´t renovated it, it would have rotted away. The actual van was in excellent condition when he bought it (but you would know that as well).

Again, I can´t see that I´ve said that he shouldn´t have done it, of course, up to him (or maybe I´ve missed something?). As the chairman for the Veteran Campers of Sweden I had a certain picture of what the general public would expect of -veteran camping- This wasn´t it and I didn´t feel like -duping the public-

Why shouldn´t a period van be used and loved? You seem to be acusing me of things I haven´t said. By the way, the van in question was only used for shows, not holidays or periods between xmas and beyond. Your last sentance I agree with so I don´t know where you are trying to go. If you are saying that I don´t use my vans then you are mistaken. You can use the van and hunt down bits, lots of fun. Hope you have a good time with the dogs this Xmas Smile


I'm not getting upset Alan ...far from it and of course i don't know the owner ...possibly you misunderstood my point a little ??
What i was trying to say was that does it really matter what he does to HIS van/car/etc .It just bugs me a little when folks say "you shouldn't paint it that colour because it's not original or fitting it's period"
Fair enough if your "thing" is being period perfect then feel free to do so if it isn't then feel free to do the same.
The sort of attitude of having everything absolutely period perfect and correct is especially prevalent in a lot of one make clubs and is the prime reason i've never bothered with them (barring the A30/35 owners club who were happy to see the vehicles being used in any capacity Very Happy )
Live and let live as it takes all sorts i guess personally i find life is too short to worry too much about what colour someone paints their caravan Wink
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alan 869



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree totally and didn/still don´t know if your views are given generally are aimed at me specifically because of my remarks. If I were strictly -original- then there wouldn´t be a Camping veterans. Everything has it´s place but this sort of thing didn´t belong to the idea we were trying to put over. I member of the public, when they had looked at the actual car and van, asked me -So this is typical of swedish caravaning of the 60s? He should have been in the custom american car part of the show. And yes he did continue in that section and I believe won first prize.

The Volvo PV club of Sweden used to be original mad. Even the jubilee clips had to have Volvo on them and the right part number. They have lightened up now and even have a -hot rod- section. It´s -18C here and lots of snow. Hope you have better weather for your outings Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alan 869 wrote:
I agree totally and didn/still don´t know if your views are given generally are aimed at me specifically because of my remarks. If I were strictly -original- then there wouldn´t be a Camping veterans. Everything has it´s place but this sort of thing didn´t belong to the idea we were trying to put over. I member of the public, when they had looked at the actual car and van, asked me -So this is typical of swedish caravaning of the 60s? He should have been in the custom american car part of the show. And yes he did continue in that section and I believe won first prize.

The Volvo PV club of Sweden used to be original mad. Even the jubilee clips had to have Volvo on them and the right part number. They have lightened up now and even have a -hot rod- section. It´s -18C here and lots of snow. Hope you have better weather for your outings Smile


No Alan not aimed at you at all ...as i said there is a place for all,
speaking from the Landrover side of the fence ...there are piece perfect examples that have cost tons of time AND money to make perfect ...sadly that almost makes them unuseable for their original purpose.That's not to say that there isn't a place for them as a sort of reference piece,personally mine get used and not polished (Not that there would be much point polishing my ex military with its matt paint lol .

Minus figures sounds like the year before lasts 12" of snow on the van on Xmas morning ...luvverly Very Happy
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alan 869



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oooh a Landrover man. Very nice. Just brushed got the wife to brush off the lightweight before we put it in the tent for the winter

I think that a few examples should be obsolutely new and original, as reference points but most things can be mucked about with to give pleasure. My Volvo PV from 56 is totally unoriginal in the interior. Green and black. Leather seats. I wanted to do the inside the way I wanted and to enjoy driving it. There are hundreds of hyper-original PVs about so I think enough will survive to show coming generations what they looked like when they left the factory. My Volvo 144 from 1967 is on the other hand totally original, no extras, no tarting up. Just as it was when the first owner (who lives 15 mins away) picked it up in April 67. Don´t know about UK but Sweden had milions of 140s. All gone now or are on the bumper car circuit. The ones that have been saved are of course the GTs and S varients. Those that nearly nobody had the money for and only have seen from a distance. Mine´s a bog standard 144 dl with the single Stromberg B18 motor. Always get a lot of comments on it when I´m out in it. My dad had one exactly the same etc. Brings a smile to the dapper motorists faces. Makes it all worth while Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep Landrovers for my sins ....
My ex-Northern Ireland (Ex-Makrolon armour)109 FFR


( I wanted to paint it Nato BUT the Mrs wasn't having any of it Laughing )

The Mrs' 88" Tdi powered 5 speed S2A




And my 109 with Sankey instead of Cheltenham
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alan 869 wrote:
One of the perks of being the chairman of the -Campingveterans- This guy took a belgian Constructam that wa in really nice condition and gave it a paint job for thousands (he showed me the bills with pride). Metalic Candy, just the same as his monstrosity that is pulling it. Didn´t get a photo from the front (like they all used to do)..... Had to use the loo...
Refering to the towcar as a monstrosity is not very kind Alan! Although you might not like it, it is the owner's pride and joy, as is the Constuctram, and as such, his to do with as he wishes.
Personally, I don't like custom cars, but I can still admire the work which goes into them.



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are a bit more thick skinned over here. When I said monstrosity he laughed. Said he didn´t care for my -Svenssonbil- much either and laughed again. -Svensson car- is the derogatory term for the humdrum Swedish bread and butter typ cars (he was looking at my Volvo 144. I laughed and said at least it´s Swedish, eventhough I´m an alien....

For the rest of your comment I think you should read the foregoing posts Smile
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alan 869



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistericeman wrote:
Yep Landrovers for my sins ....
My ex-Northern Ireland (Ex-Makrolon armour)109 FFR


( I wanted to paint it Nato BUT the Mrs wasn't having any of it Laughing )

The Mrs' 88" Tdi powered 5 speed S2A




And my 109 with Sankey instead of Cheltenham


Love the van, looks in really good condition.

Bought my lightweight a few years ago off a nice guy in the lightweight club. He´d renovated it on a shoestring and blogged it for the club. Drove it back to Sweden. The idea was Harwich to Denmark and then up to Sweden but the boat was cancelled because of bad weater. Ended up in the Hook of Holland. Drove it all the way from there, in November and without any rubbers around the doors. When I was in the army we used these a lot. Especially in NI.
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