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Bitumen Boy



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
Cameras are useful for reversing but not much else. I think there is too much reliance on technology these days.


This is pretty much my position. Reversing cameras are worth more for safety than a lot of other things that have been compulsory for a long time and Iḿ amazed that they still seem to be optional. We keep getting different rental vans at work, usually they have to be replaced every 28 days, and the other week I was driving a lateish model Vauxhall Vivaro... No camera, no sensors even, complete poverty spec model. Luckily Iḿ not usually out on my own and one of the other guys can see me back if needs be, but thatś pretty unusual nowadays and by modern standards that van would be totally unsuited to, say, parcel delivery work.

As for dashcams I don have one myself and don t particularly want one; it may be helpful in the event of a bump but be aware if the plod get involved your own dashcam footage could potentially be used against you!
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long before vehicles had cameras, I drove a long wheelbase Transit. I delivered computer stationary and security print for about 10 years.

With a full load onboard blocking the rear view, I had to rely on my door mirrors. Doing the same thing day in , day out , it eventually became second nature. Wink
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Bitumen Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
Long before vehicles had cameras, I drove a long wheelbase Transit. I delivered computer stationary and security print for about 10 years.

With a full load onboard blocking the rear view, I had to rely on my door mirrors. Doing the same thing day in , day out , it eventually became second nature. Wink


It does become second nature if youŕe doing it day in day out in the same model vehicle, and I likewise did that back in the day before cameras... But we share the driving out between the team - so at the moment I do roughly every third week - and then they keep changing the vans every 28 days according to the cheapest thing they can hire, so it gets a little more challenging Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Norseman



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So a potentially dangerous driver escapes the justice he/she deserves.[/quote]

I have to say Iḿ not a fan of grassing on other motorists using dashcam footage... itś the sort of nasty sneaky thing that people who wear lycra get excited about. Next time it could be you who gets a visit from the plod following an innocent mistake or misjudgement on the road.[/quote]

If I had been driving an old banger, or a company vehicle (preferably a large one) I wouldn't have taken the trouble to swerve across the road & then called the plod to the scene & they could have viewed the 'cam footage on the spot, thereby avoiding my 'trial by technology' in trying to report the incident.
I'm sorry, I don't consider reporting the slightest bit 'sneaky' because that moron could get some innocent person killed.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So a potentially dangerous driver escapes the justice he/she deserves.[/quote]

I have to say Iḿ not a fan of grassing on other motorists using dashcam footage... itś the sort of nasty sneaky thing that people who wear lycra get excited about. Next time it could be you who gets a visit from the plod following an innocent mistake or misjudgement on the road.[/quote]

If I had been driving an old banger, or a company vehicle (preferably a large one) I wouldn't have taken the trouble to swerve across the road & then called the plod to the scene & they could have viewed the 'cam footage on the spot, thereby avoiding my 'trial by technology' in trying to report the incident.
I'm sorry, I don't consider reporting the slightest bit 'sneaky' because that moron could get some innocent person killed.
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Bitumen Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norseman wrote:
So a potentially dangerous driver escapes the justice he/she deserves.


I have to say Iḿ not a fan of grassing on other motorists using dashcam footage... itś the sort of nasty sneaky thing that people who wear lycra get excited about. Next time it could be you who gets a visit from the plod following an innocent mistake or misjudgement on the road.[/quote]

If I had been driving an old banger, or a company vehicle (preferably a large one) I wouldn't have taken the trouble to swerve across the road & then called the plod to the scene & they could have viewed the 'cam footage on the spot, thereby avoiding my 'trial by technology' in trying to report the incident.
I'm sorry, I don't consider reporting the slightest bit 'sneaky' because that moron could get some innocent person killed.[/quote]

So you never make an innocent mistake on the road, or do you just not want to admit that you do?

There are NO perfect drivers out there, and we are ALL potentially dangerous as you put it. More cameras of whatever sort ultimately equals less freedom.
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Norseman



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had been driving an old banger, or a company vehicle (preferably a large one) I wouldn't have taken the trouble to swerve across the road & then called the plod to the scene & they could have viewed the 'cam footage on the spot, thereby avoiding my 'trial by technology' in trying to report the incident.
I'm sorry, I don't consider reporting the slightest bit 'sneaky' because that moron could get some innocent person killed.[/quote]

So you never make an innocent mistake on the road, or do you just not want to admit that you do?

Of course I have over the past 60 years & am prepared to admit those occasions, but there are degrees of bad driving. On this occasion his/her actions would have resulted in a serious smash that could well have been life threatening & that situation was only avoided by my level of attention & observance of the speed limit .. next time he/she may not be so lucky.
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alastairq



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't hold much faith in the idea that, if, many decades ago one was brought to book for exceeding the speed limit, or driving without due care, one is always going to be a risky driver, and therefore one shouldn't throw stones in one's glasshouse!
Has nobody realised, one can learn from one's errors, just like politicians?

Being shown up for holding a different view today, compared to 50 years ago, doesn't wash, I'm afraid.

Taking folk to task for advocating reporting [in this instance] poor or unlawful driving is much like picking on someone in a public school for 'being a twit,' or whatever a tell-tail is called these days.

Such criticism is how bullying survives and propers.

Why should we 'mind our own business?'

The drivers who really need retraining are those whose driving techniques have not altered one iota in the 40 or 50 years they've held a licence.

The very same drivers who consider themselves to be 'experienced!'

The very same drivers' who pronounce low opinions as to the driving standards of others.

In the same way I don't hold much respect for the opinions of those who claim their aging relatives are now ''too dangerous to be allowed to drive any more.''

It takes an awful lot of training to become a driving standards assessor.....in the UK,
and an awful lot of 'proving' one's ability to do so.

ADI, DVSA Examiner, Registered LGV instructors, you name it, all different aspects of a much bigger coin.

All trained, to ''assess''.....

Yet we sympathise with the young things whose licences are barely dry, pontificating about their grandparents driving skills!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:47 am    Post subject: Aged Driving Reply with quote

The young people wanting old drivers off the road forget that they will be old too sooner than they think and they won't want to lose their licence just because of age. There are many drivers old and and not so old who hog the right lane at slow speed thinking they are safe drivers! There are others who have poor judgment thinking they are driving an articulated truck or something and won't proceed, and others who do not seem to realise how much power the modern car has compared to older cars and suddenly find themselves exceeding the speed limit.
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