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Penman



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
Sorry but I think that record should be downgraded to Fastest IC engined milk float and then get one of the electric car enthusiasts to do a proper battery powered record.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
I remember electric milk floats (are there any still running?) they were slow but did the job.


Yes, but not in rural or hilly areas. Milkmen in those parts of the country still needed engines or even kept their horses.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bitumen Boy wrote:
Ray White wrote:
I remember electric milk floats (are there any still running?) they were slow but did the job.


Yes, but not in rural or hilly areas. Milkmen in those parts of the country still needed engines or even kept their horses.


There used to be a horse drawn milk float that delivered to my Nan's road. The horse knew the 'round' so well he didn't need telling...he just walked on, stopping at the houses and walked on again. It was not quite as rosey a relationship as one might think. When the horse got to the end of the road he knew it was time to head home and sped up; not waiting for the milkman. The street was treated to some of the foulest language imaginable but it was funny seeing the guy chase after his "f,,,ing horse". Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had cause recently to look up some information about steam power. Some companies have progressed steam engine technology for industrial use even though the general public are probably unaware of it, so there are more modern than the 'turn of the century' steam vehicles most people know about but just no-one has put one in a car, at least to the best of my knowledge. This kind of thing appealed to me; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F9nB69FQjc
I coudn't help but wonder if it was another thing that was we maybe gave up on too soon Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrWhite wrote:
I had cause recently to look up some information about steam power. Some companies have progressed steam engine technology for industrial use even though the general public are probably unaware of it, so there are more modern than the 'turn of the century' steam vehicles most people know about but just no-one has put one in a car, at least to the best of my knowledge. This kind of thing appealed to me; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F9nB69FQjc
I coudn't help but wonder if it was another thing that was we maybe gave up on too soon Rolling Eyes


I joined the Steam Car Club of Great Britain years ago. It is a marvellous resource for steam car enthusiasts. It is another world unknown to most people.

http://www.steamcar.net/phorum.html

http://www.steamcar.net/index.html
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ray
Have you seen or heard of this? It was at a show in Cheshire years ago, the first time I met Rick.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I haven't but there a some remarkable home made steam contraptions.

How about a steam Land Rover?
http://www.steamcar.net/video-page-8.html
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I haven't but there a some remarkable home made steam contraptions.

About the only bits I recognise are the Austin Seven wheels!

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How about a steam Land Rover?

http://www.steamcar.net/video-page-8.html
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the 1960s/1970s an Aussie called Ted Pritchard, together with his father, developed and built an extremely successful steam car with an engine of their own design.

It was taken to the USA and tested and inspected by all the big car mobs, but although it received "rave" reviews, nothing happened. We still have petrol engined cars.

http://www.linux-host.org/energy/spritch.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJq2Hc_mXFI

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith, in 1965 I was the proud owner of a 1939 Series E Morris 8/40. In Melbourne, early one Sunday morning, I was stopped at traffic lights, when a Ford Falcon pulled up alongside me. Now, in those days, there was virtually no traffic about until after about 9.00 on a Sunday, and this day was no different.
I thought, "I wonder if I can pull away quickly when the lights change, and surprise the Falcon driver." The lights changed, the Morris leapt (well as much as 8 horses could make it leap!) forwards, but the Falcon, silently and majestically showed me its heels. I was amazed by its silent and swift progression, so started investigating. I found out that the car was the steam powered one owned by Ted Pritchard.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dane,

We really miss your photos on the forum. Please see:
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith D wrote:
Back in the 1960s/1970s an Aussie called Ted Pritchard, together with his father, developed and built an extremely successful steam car with an engine of their own design.

It was taken to the USA and tested and inspected by all the big car mobs, but although it received "rave" reviews, nothing happened. We still have petrol engined cars.

http://www.linux-host.org/energy/spritch.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJq2Hc_mXFI

Keith


One of the disadvantages of steam cars is poor economy. Most use kerosine to heat the boiler and from what I can gather you are kucky to get more than about 15 miles to the gallon.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray, the interesting thing about Ted Pritchard's engine was that it would run successfully on any liquid that would burn. Because the boiler is completely separate from the actual engine, it was made extremely efficient. It could run on anything, petrol, kero, diesel, old sump oil!

As Dane has said, it was driven and tested under all conditions for ages around the state of Victoria and it's performance was outstanding.

I lived in Melbourne at that time and Pritchard and his car were frequently featured on local television so we all knew what was happening with it.

I've never heard that it was un-economical to run.

Incidently, a nineteen sixties off-the-shelf Ford Falcon used around town would not have done many miles on a gallon of petrol. Maybe low to mid twenties.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is a trade off between cost and availability. If steam were to make a comeback - and there are enthusiasts who think it can - the question is what fuel source is readily available at the pumps. This at the moment is either petrol, Diesel or LPG. If the aim is to move away from fossil fuels then a practical mass produced alternative would need to be found. I prefer the hydrogen route to the electric so it would be interesting to see if a steam boiler could run on that?

The fact that a steam engine boiler may be heated with almost any combustable liquid is probably of little importance given that a serious move over to steam would need a readily pumpable fuel. It may be run very cheaply (if smelly) on used chip fat - like some Diesel cars - but I would have thought it is somewhat impractical on a large scale.

Interestingly, a steam car usually requires two fuels; one for the pilot light (hexane is good) and another for the main burner (normally kerosine or Diesel).

I hope I have my facts right.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely the problem with steam cars would be the same as with petrol and diesel - namely that the green lobby will object to them burning anything at all?

Of course we all know that something will most likely have to be burnt in a power station to charge the batteries of electric vehicles, but being logical has never had much to do with being green... Rolling Eyes
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