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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4874 Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
Sorry but I think that record should be downgraded to Fastest IC engined milk float and then get one of the electric car enthusiasts to do a proper battery powered record. _________________ Bristols should always come in pairs.
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Bitumen Boy
Joined: 26 Jan 2012 Posts: 1763 Location: Above the snow line in old Monmouthshire
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Ray White wrote: | | I remember electric milk floats (are there any still running?) they were slow but did the job. |
Yes, but not in rural or hilly areas. Milkmen in those parts of the country still needed engines or even kept their horses. |
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7182 Location: Derby
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Bitumen Boy wrote: | | Ray White wrote: | | I remember electric milk floats (are there any still running?) they were slow but did the job. |
Yes, but not in rural or hilly areas. Milkmen in those parts of the country still needed engines or even kept their horses. |
There used to be a horse drawn milk float that delivered to my Nan's road. The horse knew the 'round' so well he didn't need telling...he just walked on, stopping at the houses and walked on again. It was not quite as rosey a relationship as one might think. When the horse got to the end of the road he knew it was time to head home and sped up; not waiting for the milkman. The street was treated to some of the foulest language imaginable but it was funny seeing the guy chase after his "f,,,ing horse".  |
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MrWhite
Joined: 09 May 2017 Posts: 105
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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I had cause recently to look up some information about steam power. Some companies have progressed steam engine technology for industrial use even though the general public are probably unaware of it, so there are more modern than the 'turn of the century' steam vehicles most people know about but just no-one has put one in a car, at least to the best of my knowledge. This kind of thing appealed to me; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F9nB69FQjc
I coudn't help but wonder if it was another thing that was we maybe gave up on too soon  |
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7182 Location: Derby
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| MrWhite wrote: | I had cause recently to look up some information about steam power. Some companies have progressed steam engine technology for industrial use even though the general public are probably unaware of it, so there are more modern than the 'turn of the century' steam vehicles most people know about but just no-one has put one in a car, at least to the best of my knowledge. This kind of thing appealed to me; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F9nB69FQjc
I coudn't help but wonder if it was another thing that was we maybe gave up on too soon  |
I joined the Steam Car Club of Great Britain years ago. It is a marvellous resource for steam car enthusiasts. It is another world unknown to most people.
http://www.steamcar.net/phorum.html
http://www.steamcar.net/index.html |
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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4874 Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Ray
Have you seen or heard of this? It was at a show in Cheshire years ago, the first time I met Rick.
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7182 Location: Derby
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7182 Location: Derby
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:07 am Post subject: |
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No I haven't but there a some remarkable home made steam contraptions.
About the only bits I recognise are the Austin Seven wheels!
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How about a steam Land Rover?
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Keith D
Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Posts: 1165 Location: Upper Swan, Western Australia
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:47 am Post subject: |
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Back in the 1960s/1970s an Aussie called Ted Pritchard, together with his father, developed and built an extremely successful steam car with an engine of their own design.
It was taken to the USA and tested and inspected by all the big car mobs, but although it received "rave" reviews, nothing happened. We still have petrol engined cars.
http://www.linux-host.org/energy/spritch.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJq2Hc_mXFI
Keith _________________ 1926 Chrysler 60 tourer
1932 Austin Seven RN long wheelbase box sedan
1950 Austin A40 tourer
1999 BMW Z3
Its weird being the same age as old people.
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roverdriver

Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Posts: 1210 Location: 100 miles from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Keith, in 1965 I was the proud owner of a 1939 Series E Morris 8/40. In Melbourne, early one Sunday morning, I was stopped at traffic lights, when a Ford Falcon pulled up alongside me. Now, in those days, there was virtually no traffic about until after about 9.00 on a Sunday, and this day was no different.
I thought, "I wonder if I can pull away quickly when the lights change, and surprise the Falcon driver." The lights changed, the Morris leapt (well as much as 8 horses could make it leap!) forwards, but the Falcon, silently and majestically showed me its heels. I was amazed by its silent and swift progression, so started investigating. I found out that the car was the steam powered one owned by Ted Pritchard. _________________ Dane- roverdriver but not a Viking. |
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peter scott

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7215 Location: Edinburgh
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7182 Location: Derby
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Keith D wrote: | Back in the 1960s/1970s an Aussie called Ted Pritchard, together with his father, developed and built an extremely successful steam car with an engine of their own design.
It was taken to the USA and tested and inspected by all the big car mobs, but although it received "rave" reviews, nothing happened. We still have petrol engined cars.
http://www.linux-host.org/energy/spritch.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJq2Hc_mXFI
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One of the disadvantages of steam cars is poor economy. Most use kerosine to heat the boiler and from what I can gather you are kucky to get more than about 15 miles to the gallon. |
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Keith D
Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Posts: 1165 Location: Upper Swan, Western Australia
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:05 am Post subject: |
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Ray, the interesting thing about Ted Pritchard's engine was that it would run successfully on any liquid that would burn. Because the boiler is completely separate from the actual engine, it was made extremely efficient. It could run on anything, petrol, kero, diesel, old sump oil!
As Dane has said, it was driven and tested under all conditions for ages around the state of Victoria and it's performance was outstanding.
I lived in Melbourne at that time and Pritchard and his car were frequently featured on local television so we all knew what was happening with it.
I've never heard that it was un-economical to run.
Incidently, a nineteen sixties off-the-shelf Ford Falcon used around town would not have done many miles on a gallon of petrol. Maybe low to mid twenties.
Keith _________________ 1926 Chrysler 60 tourer
1932 Austin Seven RN long wheelbase box sedan
1950 Austin A40 tourer
1999 BMW Z3
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7182 Location: Derby
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:52 am Post subject: |
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I think it is a trade off between cost and availability. If steam were to make a comeback - and there are enthusiasts who think it can - the question is what fuel source is readily available at the pumps. This at the moment is either petrol, Diesel or LPG. If the aim is to move away from fossil fuels then a practical mass produced alternative would need to be found. I prefer the hydrogen route to the electric so it would be interesting to see if a steam boiler could run on that?
The fact that a steam engine boiler may be heated with almost any combustable liquid is probably of little importance given that a serious move over to steam would need a readily pumpable fuel. It may be run very cheaply (if smelly) on used chip fat - like some Diesel cars - but I would have thought it is somewhat impractical on a large scale.
Interestingly, a steam car usually requires two fuels; one for the pilot light (hexane is good) and another for the main burner (normally kerosine or Diesel).
I hope I have my facts right.
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Bitumen Boy
Joined: 26 Jan 2012 Posts: 1763 Location: Above the snow line in old Monmouthshire
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Surely the problem with steam cars would be the same as with petrol and diesel - namely that the green lobby will object to them burning anything at all?
Of course we all know that something will most likely have to be burnt in a power station to charge the batteries of electric vehicles, but being logical has never had much to do with being green...  |
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