Classic cars forum & vehicle restoration.
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Vintage Fly Guy
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| badhuis wrote: | | Vintage Fly Guy wrote: | | Back to cars... Roll on 20+ years and those cars from the 'LPG era' have started to achieve 'classic car status'... but, as they've been modified, they aren't worth anything like what an unmodified 'factory original spec' car is worth. Hence my initial comment about LPG conversions (with the benefit of hindsight) being the work of the devil where classic cars are concerned. |
With the older LPG systems - the ones I always used - it is easy to remove all the LPG stuff. An hour or two of unscrewing things. You might end up with the hole for the filler though. I cannot see that will depreciate the value of a car much (you can always weld it up, and anyway most fillers are not directly mounted in a rear wing or such so it is not much of a problem anyway). |
The LPG conversion on a Range Rover Classic usually involved the drilling of holes to mount stuff, the cutting of the rear wing to mount the filler, a load of wiring spliced into the loom under the bonnet, plus a large tank mounted in the boot or bolted along the side chassis rails. So best of luck removing that lot 'invisibly', particularly the filler hole in the rear wing, which is made from relatively thin aluminium.
Bearing in mind that even a couple of screw holes in the dashboard from an old mobile phone mount can affect the value of 'high end' classic cars, an LPG conversion (even if removed) is likely to drop the value of an otherwise 'factory original' car by a not inconsiderable amount, with buyers with lots of money, who are looking for a mint and original example, dismissing a converted car immediately.
On mid to lower value, average+ mileage, 'good to fair condition' classics that have had other modifications such as non-original radios and speakers, resprays, welding, etc., and have lost their originality, then I think it's unlikely to make much difference to the value, providing the LPG kit removal has been done tidily and has not adversely affected the running/reliability of the vehicle. |
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badhuis
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Location: Netherlands
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Phew.... am I lucky not to own a "high end" car....
As an owner I would think it is best not think too much about the value of a car, but to just enjoy it.
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Vintage Fly Guy
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| badhuis wrote: | Phew.... am I lucky not to own a "high end" car....
As an owner I would think it is best not think too much about the value of a car, but to just enjoy it. |
Phew... If only I were lucky enough to be able to disregard the value of a classic car... 
People gain enjoyment in different ways, and long may that continue when it comes to classic cars... after all, it would be a dull world if everybody liked the same thing - be that a concours example or a somewhat dilapidated daily driver.
As far as I'm concerned it's a case of whatever makes you happy... but, like it or not, when it comes to almost all classic cars, condition and originality are key factors that affect the value. So don't shoot the messenger. |
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Ray White
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2025 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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I have been clutching at a few straws with regards to the rise and rise of 'classic' restomods. So far I have been disappointed to find that only 'high end' cars seem to have captured the imagination of well heeled buyers.
The funny thing is that while the market for modified Jags, Porches and the rest is buoyant, the cars themselves often end up in private collections where they are seldom seen on the roads for which they have been adapted.
Modified cars that are more likely to be used - and which have been enhanced for the benefit of the driver - are seemingly less popular.
The quest for "originality" seems to be in the ascendancy; fine if your car fits into that category but not so good if you have invested heavily in making it more suitable for todays roads. |
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alastairq
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2025 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The quest for "originality" seems to be in the ascendancy; fine if your car fits into that category but not so good if you have invested heavily in making it more suitable for today's roads. |
Perhaps a lot of the reticence is down to taking a 'chance' with a modified, older, car..that those modifications have been done 'properly?'
I have looked at the odd 'modernised' old car...particularly Morris Minors [which seem to be popular, regardless?}, and become quite disillusioned by some of the 'modifications' made.
There are also a lot of folk out there who seem to think that, by having an apparently 'respected' trade name attached to their 'modification,' that somehow that's the best thing to do? Or, 'it must have been done properly, because look how much I've had to spend?'
Some even place great store by this!
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Ray White
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2025 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| alastairq wrote: |
Perhaps a lot of the reticence is down to taking a 'chance' with a modified, older, car..that those modifications have been done 'properly?'
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Good point. I suppose very expensive restomods will more than likely have been modified by a marque specialist; with paperwork to back it up. That is not to say there are any guarantees... but there is a good chance that the job will be reasonable.
If the work has been carried out by or for the owner with no accreditation at all, I can see buyer reticence creeping in regardless of the marque. |
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Vintage Fly Guy
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2025 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Ray White wrote: |
The quest for "originality" seems to be in the ascendancy; fine if your car fits into that category but not so good if you have invested heavily in making it more suitable for todays roads. |
Blimey, you'll be buying an EV conversion next!  |
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Ray White
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2025 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| Vintage Fly Guy wrote: | | Ray White wrote: |
The quest for "originality" seems to be in the ascendancy; fine if your car fits into that category but not so good if you have invested heavily in making it more suitable for todays roads. |
Blimey, you'll be buying an EV conversion next! |
It took a moment or two to get your gist... but I see what you mean now! The thing about living half in the past is I tend to let silly things like EVs pass me by. [pun intended]
I do try to keep up but things change to quickly for my liking.  |
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