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[rustyreks]

Jo its good to get different perspectives i plan to use a water injector unit on my fordson when i get it to the running stage i have bought all the parts to assemble under $20 the water injectors were used during the war on bombers to give them a boost at takeoff.They were popular which fuel was rationed i have an article written about it in the practical motorist magazine during the 1950s so the principles are sound.From what i have read the savings on fuel is 10-15% many of the hydrogen systems incoporate the water injectors as well i have been reading up on the hydrogen plans however that is more complex as with cars with emission control you need an electrical device that changes the settings on the exhaust sensors otherwise any savings are automatically compensated for by the sensors increasing the fuel ratio on pre emission vehicles you dont need to do this.The only drawback in the early days i have heard mentioned is that there was some pitting on the pistons and i believe this was due to to much water it is only injected vapor so that shouldnt cause any damage. brentnz

[rcav8or]

[rcav8or]

And that naysayer reference to the so-called "purchufter" valve by UJ somewhere in the threads on HHO ..... It's just a slightly amusing bit of nonsense - a spoof - a scam even ..... ???!!! His circuit diagram shows a 3 position 5 way double roller / spring valve in only two positions (5A & 5B). Presumably sketch 5C should show the valve in the third & "OFF" position. Why didn't you show that too, UJ ? Haha !!! And how did I find it, UJ ? Not by scouring the internet - and wasting time - rather it was by chance scanning through the oldclassiccar website - easy as that !!! MalcolmL

[pigtin]

There is a rather worrying theory put forward that the less fuel we use the more they will have to eventually charge for it (the old laws of supply and demand almost.) A bit 'Catch 22'
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[rcav8or]

Hi pigtin - no worries - the higher "their" fuel charges, then the more you save !!!! YOU are the HHO generator and water is your main source of supply. So, a quick and dirty calculation tells me that "they" would have to increase "their" fuel price by 3 times (12 - 14 quid a gallon !? There would be another march of the nation to Westminster ! Surely !) to get "us" back to where you are now. And I am quite sure that the day will come when HHO units will save more than 65% on fuel bills - again, good for "us".

No, it's not that "we" need to be concerned about .... it's stupid legislation - and shenanigans by government - against the use of HHO systems as they are at present .... like quadrupling (say) your road tax on an HHO vehicle .... or completely banning HHO (shenanigans !) on the grounds of public safety ..... or some such other "games".

I've been away too long (30 years) to know which way the electorate would swing if gov't were to play nasty games. My son who is still living in UK says that lethargy has set in - people have been conditioned - and they will just go along with whatever is thrown at them. If that's the case, maybe UK needs a new New Labour - another Lloyd George or Maggie T - or whatever.

But all this kind of seditious talk only leads nowhere. Sorry about that - but I didn't raise the political spectre - just tried to give my view in response to pigtin's comment.

Be happy. MalcolmL

[peppiB]

Pleased I am no longer a 'voice in the wilderness' Had Minor out today - 348 miles average 52 mpg My simple home made units seem to work, so when I get time I will refine the system to generate more gas.

[rcav8or]

No - you're not in "the wilderness" - unless you regard UK as "the wilderness" where there seems to be very little reported on the net about HHO activity. Or am I looking in the wrong places ? It does surprise me -
more than a little - this lack of response and activity - because Brits are known for innovation - and also the very high price of fuels. I would have thought that factor alone would have generated positive activity to search for ways to reduce fuel bills. I've mentioned already in an earlier post that my son who lives in England said it's "lethargy" - and I find that hard to believe ..... !
FYI, I'll send you separately - if you would like that - some pics of the HHO unit/s here ..... MalcolmL

[peter scott]

[rcav8or]

Hi Peter - thanks for your post. Are you yet another naysayer who has nothing to back up his naysaying except words ? Haha !
The original posted thread asked about HHO and experiences of same. I've posted mine - all in good faith.
I have NO interest in proving anything to anyone - except my wife, family and wallet.
As I stated previously, - all the naysayers - so far as I can see - just keep humming the same melody - but produce nothing concrete to back up their words. Not a single one has - to my knowledge - actually done anything to prove to the contrary "that HHO does not work" ! IE - actually tried a unit and shown that it does NOT work !!! So, what's their point ? Meantime, there are dozens of people in my locality who are overjoyed at their fuel savings using HHO. These are people that I know - ordinary normal people who just don't like paying through their noses for fuel - if there's a cheaper alternative. Some are Thia and sopme are foreigners ....
So far though, not a single old car nut here has converted yet ..... that's asking a lot, I suppose ..... ? I too have not yet converted one of my old cars. The reason ? No, NOT that I don't believe ! Not that I'm afraid of damage to the engine. It's simply that I don't cover enough distance in them to recoup much on fuel bills. I am not a purist and would have no qualms about fitting HHO to an engine of my old cars. They've all HAD enine changes already - anyway - to a more modern Japanese engine - even efi's ! Sacrilege ? No, just plain common sense - just for the reliability and convenience.
I have a 1957 Opel Olympia, a 1957 Opel Caravan as daily runabouts - and a Ford Escort 2-door being converted to a Mexico and a Ford Consul saloon being converted to a converible 2-door. These will have to wait ...
Meantime, I have a Mazda Tribute 3L V6 SUV that is next on the list for conversion.
Another reason I've held off is that A&N, the makers of my unit, are developing new models and I'm not in a big hurry to 'do' the Tribute. I can wait until they have a unit I like the look of - since it will go in the space behind the rear seats presently shared by the dogs, the cats and the shopping .... ! So it ought to look "good" as well as being functional. I'll have it custom painted the same scheme as the vehicle - charcoal metallic. The standard colour offered so far by A&N is deep royal blue.
So, Peter, I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone - or convince any so-called "experts" - or have them bow their heads in shame by retracting their naysaying messages ..... No ! I'm just responding to the original thread - and making new friends on the "oldclassiccar" site - the rest is just so much horse feathers as far as I'm concerned.

Happy Motoring ! MalcolmL

[rcav8or]

Hi Peter - just a quickie, I re-read your post again - I missed your point about balance of payments ..... one of the reasons I decided to leave UK 30 years ago was that I could see the then present and future effects of poor governance in UK. Not that I'm holding up the present government of my present abode as an example of 'good governance' - far from it - but at least I'm not being taxed into penury - yet ! That's one reason why I can enjoy several old cars in my 'dotage' .....
Again, Happy Motoring ! MalcolmL

[pigtin]

Just visited the dentist and, in order to take my mind if the impending pain, leafed through a back copy of the ‘New Scientist.’ There was an article on the (Folk legend) device that allows cars to run entirely on water… they were sceptical. Also someone who had claimed that using the fuel from the top half of his tank gave better economy, according to his fuel gauge, than when he used the bottom half and had consequently refuelled at half a tank each time to make this economy.
But there are always the nay Sayers, one suggested that this was nonsense because the fuel was always taken from the bottom of the tank and another (allegedly a 5 year-old) even suggested that the operation of the fuel gauge might not be linear.
Fortunately common sense prevailed and the old ploy of putting a brick in the tank was suggested… after all, it does save water when you put one in the W.C. Cistern.

Although this has little to do with the above discussions it’s nice to know these problems are being addressed in such an august organ, and may one day be resolved.

Apologies for any inaccuracies in reporting the article but I had to endure serious trauma directly after reading it.
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Due to the onset of my mid eighties I'm no longer sprightly and rarely seen in my Austin special. I have written a book though. https://amzn.eu/d/7rwRRqL

[rcav8or]

[quote="pigtin"]"There was an article on the (Folk legend) device that allows cars to run entirely on water… they were sceptical".

So would I be skeptical - is this another example of those "experts" jumping to confusions - and unable to disprove HHO ???
Just in case anyone misunderstood my previous post/s, my HHO system does NOT "run entirely on water" ! It's a so-called "hybrid" and runs on both diesel and HHO. That's why I've ONLY been getting a fuel saving of 60% - and not 100% (if I were running entirely on water).
Just thought I'd clear that up - in case any poster to the thread was of a mind to think that I was talking pork pies ..... MalcolmL

[pigtin]

Don't get me wrong MalcomeL, I wasn't suggesting the 'folk legend' was the same as the HHO system and no mention of that system was made in the article. It's just interesting to see the same sort of things are being discussed elsewhere. Personally, I am of the opinion that 'there is no smoke without fire' and the HHO system has been smouldering for too long to be lightly dismissed. It should be as easy to disprove the benefits of this system as to prove them, and disproving them would certainly be in the interest of many people with the resources to do so. Why haven't they done it finally and officially? Perhaps it means putting their names to something that, in the future, may come back and bite their asses.
This is all pure speculation on my part and a total, official 'putting to bed'
of this subject may be available somewhere.
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Due to the onset of my mid eighties I'm no longer sprightly and rarely seen in my Austin special. I have written a book though. https://amzn.eu/d/7rwRRqL

[pigtin]

Ok chaps! It's official. Couple of weeks ago, on Meridian Local New, was a report on a company in Kent making Hydrogen cells for fitting in lorries. Giving at least a ten percent fuel saving.
I forgot to post it at the time but Googling Hydrogen Generators for lorries turned up lots of interesting info. Mind you, they're not mentioning you can generate your own hydrogen with a simple device in your car.
There are still a few nay-sayers but their arguments, in the case of the simple units we are proposing, still seem illogical and maybe events have overtaken them now.
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[peppiB]

My units are still serving me well. The V8 Merc averages 36mpg over all conditions - more on a long motorway run. The landcrab averages 40mpg. The Minor hasn't been out since November so will do a thorough check on that one in the spring. The doubters have their views, I have my petrol savings as cash in my pocket.