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 Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:25 pm Post subject: Retrograde step? Herald vs Standard 8/10 |
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Did the car-buying public regard the separate chassis of the Herald as a retrograde step when compared to its monocoque predecessor, the Standard 8/10/Pennant? At a time when most companies were switching to chassis-less construction.
The reasons for the separate chassis were centred around supply difficulties with complete bodyshells I seem to remember reading, hence the bolt-on bulkhead, rear end, and of course the one-piece bonnet & front wings. There must have been some interesting conversations as Standard-Triumph dealers tried to explain this backwards step to potential customers 
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Ellis
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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The answer is in the survival rate.
How many Standards do you see on the road today?
You will see rather more Heralds,12/50s,13/60s and Vitesses.
Having said that I know of at least one Standard 10 - CCC 946 - no, you won't find it on the DVLA computer, which has been in a barn since the passing away of it's one owner in 1966.
And it's still there today.
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Inglewood
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What Triumph did in 1959 is what motor manufacturers still try and do today – they tried something new.
Most manufacturers did this around 1959 – 1960 when many new models were produced offering more than the traditional / mundane post war cars.
The Morris Minor did the same in 1948, it offered something fresh & new.
The Herald was lightweight, tiny turning circle, easily maintained, noisy but fun. Funky colour schemes and even a heater. The rear seats folded and though not a four door it was a true 4 seater.
My family were Triumph dealers, I do not recall having to ‘sell’ the Herald, it sold itself. We sold hundreds.
Yes, they did rust but so did the competition. At least they were easy to repair.
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| Retrograde step it may have been,but I much preferred to work on the Herald than the Standard 8/10.I thought the styling of the Herald was quite ahead of it's time,with it's airy cabin better than the "stuffy" feeling interior of the 10.There are 3 or 4 original Heralds still running around locally.There is 1 semi-restored Standard 8,but I haven't seen it for a long time. |
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Ellis
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Clever man that Michelotti........
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Richard H
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Lovely picture Inglewood! |
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Inglewood
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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One of the better ones
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Ellis
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Richard H wrote: | | Lovely picture Inglewood! |
Yes indeed!
The second Herald from the right.
Is that a 12/50? I see the fabric sunroof which they all had, but it was an option on others as well. The years are catching up on me! Did the 12/50 have a steel sliding sunroof?
The grilles on a 12/50 were different from the "standard" Herald as well.
The rarest Herald now is the short lived "coupe" version and I remember a Mr Michael Roberts here, in Betws y coed, owning a two tone yellow and white one.
There was also a Triumph Herald van as well, probably all extinct now.
Looking at the Triumph 2000 in the photograph, my late father bought a brand new one in September 1966 - EEY 987D, dark blue with a blue leather interior. IIRC it was the 1967 model with the black background speedo and other instruments dials.
A close friend of his owned a 1963 two tone grey and blue one - NJC 597 - and that one had an overdrive.
AND to finally bore you all, I apologise, a Miss Evans who lived 200 yards away had a two tone green and white 12/50 as well. That too had a NJC *** registration number.
Edit. I have just seen Inglewood's fine photo of a Vitesse, That is a late Mark 3, am I correct? From the very late 1960s or early 1970s.
A gentleman in the village owned an early 1600cc 6 cylinder **** UN, a grey one with ivory coloured side stripes.
Does Sir Geoffrey Howe, now Lord Howe still own his 1966 (I think) Vitesse convertible? It was white one with a red side stripe IIRC
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Inglewood
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| EWG wrote: | | Richard H wrote: | | Lovely picture Inglewood! |
The second Herald from the right. Is that a 12/50? I see the fabric sunroof which they all had, but it was an option on others as well. The years are catching up on me! Did the 12/50 have a steel sliding sunroof?
The grilles on a 12/50 were different from the "standard" Herald as well.
The rarest Herald now is the short lived "coupe" version and I remember a Mr Michael Roberts here, in Betws y coed, owning a two tone yellow and white one.
There was also a Triumph Herald van as well, probably all extinct now.
Looking at the Triumph 2000 in the photograph, my late father bought a brand new one in September 1966 - EEY 987D, dark blue with a blue leather interior. IIRC it was the 1967 model with the black background speedo and other instruments dials.
I have just seen Inglewood's fine photo of a Vitesse, That is a late Mark 3, am I correct? From the very late 1960s or early 1970s.
A gentleman in the village owned an early 1600cc 6 cylinder **** UN, a grey one with ivory coloured side stripes. |
Correct, 2nd right is the Herald 12/50 with the somewhat (IMO)unattractive grille.
The Vitesse is a Mk2. The Mk1 initially had a 1600 engine and later the Mk1 2000 engine but was still known as a "Mk1". The Mk2 has the redesigned rear axle and the Mk2 2000 engine. Great car, wish I still had her.
I remember when selling the Vitesse, if a customer specified an overdrive it came in a box and had to be retro-fitted.
Question: When a new Triumph was delivered from the factory, why did we have to remove the n/s headlamp on every car? |
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Ellis
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[quote="Inglewood"] | EWG wrote: | | Richard H wrote: | | Lovely picture Inglewood! |
Question: When a new Triumph was delivered from the factory, why did we have to remove the n/s headlamp on every car? |
Is that where the spare key(s) were?
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| EWG wrote: |
Question: When a new Triumph was delivered from the factory, why did we have to remove the n/s headlamp on every car? |
Is that where the spare key(s) were?[/quote]
Spot on, the spares were taped onto the n/s headlamp. |
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Inglewood
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Herald 1200 estate (needs the bonnet adjusting!)
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Inglewood
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Vitesse Mk1 1600
Anyone know the location?
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Inglewood
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Here's a mixture
Vitesse Mk2 2000, Victor FA, Bedford Dormobile & accident damaged herald estate
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