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D4B
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 Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:55 pm Post subject: 1924 Singer Sport |
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Ray?
https://youtu.be/VfJ3rB7xptY
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Rick
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Ashley
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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I was watching a documentary about serial killers last night. They were explaining about stressers. These are events that turn people into killers, in the case of this program it was rapists who'd gone on a murdering spree because some woman had belittled them or whatever.
My worry is that we could suddenly see forum members disappearing because something one of us has said, on the sensitive subject of hot rods, has tipped Ray over the edge and he's gone on a killing spree to exact revenge.
I haven't been able to sleep all afternoon dwelling on this one.  |
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D4B
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Ashley wrote: | | I haven't been able to sleep all afternoon dwelling on this one. |
and yet it's only been on here 40 minutes
Title amended, don't want to cause any ill feeling.....  |
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Ashley
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Me neither! I hope it was obvious I was talking nonsense. I do it a lot! |
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Ray White
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Location: Derby
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Gentlemen. May I first of all point out that this individual is entitled to lead his life in what ever way he sees fit but I would question his right to drive an illegal vehicle on the public roads. The local constabulary would take a dim view of his disregard of the laws that the rest of us strive to comply with.
Secondly, I would like to point out that there was no "sports" model in the Singer range in 1924. The 10 hp was available in "popular" or "de luxe" open 2 or 4 seater forms which mechanically had changed little since it's introduction in 1912. (One of my favourite Edwardians by the way) There was also a Weymann fabric saloon.
This reg no. BS 9976 refers to a 1925 Singer six cylinder - probably a 15hp 2 litre - but again I don't believe Singer offered it in a sports car form. I could be wrong and someone may correct me if I am.
Quite what the car this chap thinks he had to start with I don't know - perhaps it was a "special" of some sort but he clearly has no idea of what it would have looked like originally because ...and I quote: : "..it started life as a 1924 Singer Sports..there have been a few modifications but what we are trying to do is bring it back to looking and feeling more like it would have done originally"...really? |
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mikeC
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That is a classic example of why we are now having problems with the DVLA. I would challenge any Singer expert to find even a single bracket that came from a 1925 Singer - how it ever came to be issued with that age-related plate I'll never know  |
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Ray White
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:38 am Post subject: |
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This is a nice example of what a vintage Singer 10 should look like. John Price has restored the car mechanically but left the body in original (apart from indicators) condition. A new hood cover has been fitted.
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D4B
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:04 am Post subject: |
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I have to admit, I posted it because I quite like it, I admire his ability to make stuff from other stuff, especially the hand drill, that's brilliant  |
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mikeC
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| I too admire his imagination and skill - as you say some of the touches are brilliant - but should it qualify for Historic tax & MOT free status? |
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Ray White
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| mikeC wrote: | | I too admire his imagination and skill - as you say some of the touches are brilliant - but should it qualify for Historic tax & MOT free status? |
I say no. It is an abuse of the system - but it is really the fault of the authorities in that they do not have a separate licensing category for such vehicles
Again we see an example of something claiming to be that which it is not in order to become road legal. It is a fraud in my opinion. This creation is by definition not an historic vehicle and should not therefore command associated concessions. |
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Penguin45
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I'm struggling to reconcile your comments, Ray. You don't like hot rods, you feel that this chap is committing a fraud, yet you like replica race + rally cars? Surely, as replicas, they are also a fraud? I'd much rather see a nice family 1.3 2 door Escort than yet another forest arched snarling beast which is a travesty of the original?
Puzzled.
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Ray White
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| Penguin45 wrote: | I'm struggling to reconcile your comments, Ray. You don't like hot rods, you feel that this chap is committing a fraud, yet you like replica race + rally cars? Surely, as replicas, they are also a fraud? I'd much rather see a nice family 1.3 2 door Escort than yet another forest arched snarling beast which is a travesty of the original?
Puzzled.
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I may have given the false impression that the fraud is the special itself. As a work of art it is perfectly genuine. Actually, I suspect it is the builder who is fraudulently obtaining historic car concessions as he is pretending that his car is a 1920's Singer; which clearly it is not.
I like replica race cars in so much as they are focussed; or at least they should be. A true replica race car is a difficult thing to get right as it involves such attention to detail. Unfortunately, many would be replicas are anything but.
This is something the hot rod fraternity have no wish to emulate. Indeed the spirit of a hot rod should demonstrate the builder's creativity and individuality rather than what they would see as slavishly copying the original.
I think there has also been a misunderstanding of my opinion of hot rods. It is the wholesale destruction of original surviving cars - especially as seen in the U.S.A. - that I object to rather than the building of hot rods as such. With the advent of glass fibre bodies one would have hoped for more consideration for those of us who would prefer to restore rather than corrupt the remaining original cars.
Of course, I will admit to an apparent contradiction in my comments. Naturally, a replica will need a donor car and sadly, the originality of some cars will have been sacrificed to this end but the difference is that, generally speaking, the same manufacturers parts will have been used and in many cases the alterations are completely reversible. It is my intention that only if a replica is passed off as 'the real thing' that a fraud is committed. Please feel free to contradict or disagree with me. We all have different tastes and opinions that make this an interesting forum. |
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Ray White
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The business |
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