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[Ellis]

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I had a good clear out of old papers and photographs last weekend and I discovered photos, some from the 1930s and earlier and among them was the above.

I cannot identify the car because my knowledge of pre World War 2 cars is patchy at best.
The photograph was taken during the war years in the hight street in Beaumaris on the Isle of Anglesey towards the end of WW2 and the car belonged to my late father.
The gentleman to the right was a contemporary friend of my father's.
One detail I do note is that the mudguards/wings are not painted white at their outer edges.

Can anybody identify the make and model, please, and tell us all some more about the type.

I have other recently discovered photos to show you as well and I will post these in due course.

Ellis

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[Rick]

Cracking photo - Ford Model Y, 8hp

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[Rick]

Added - note wartime headlamp mask and white painted front bumper. Anglesey reg.?

Photos of similar cars:
http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/ford_y.htm
and
http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/ford-model-y.htm

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[Ellis]

[Rick]

I'm not sure whether there were hard and fast "rules" as such for preparing for, and driving in the blackout, someone else may know.

Alapimba in Portugal has a Model Y pickup, I'm not sure whether there are any saloon owners on here or not???? I once had a derelict example, photos:
http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/rustycar.htm

PS would you mind if I included this, and/or any other old photos you might have, in the gallery of old photos located on the main site?

Thanks, RJ
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[Ellis]

[Peter_L]

A few changes over the years.

Castle Street, Beaumaris, Anglesey. (Google Streets)

Re: WWII Motor vehicle Blackout.

The Lighting Restrictions Order 1940.
This order... ran to some thirty-three articles and innumerable sub-paragraphs which everybody concerned with lighting in its various forms was required to understand ...

‘I find it impossible to believe that the regulations could not have been in a simpler and more intelligible form.’ Lord Chief Justice Caldecote criticising the regulations in 1942

The National Archives holds the documents. Ref: ARP GEN 82/139/1/2 (parts I & II)

The blackout regulations overall were complex, confusing and misunderstood at all levels. Although it was fairly clear that on motor cars front and rear bumpers
had to be painted white, commercial vehicles were subject to a paragraph that said that white paint had to be added to running boards, and wheel arches. It is likely that motorists having seen this, started to add paint to the sides of their own vehicles. Perhaps partly to prevent a fine or just for extra safety.

White paint began to appear as stripes around the bottom of trees, lamp posts, kerb edges and along the centre of the road.

As a young boy in England I remember a number of bridges that had white paint around the edges of the arch. My father said this had been added during the war to make them more visible.

Between 1939 there were several designs of headlight shutters, and several were declared illegal, much to the disdain of those who had bought them and the manufacturers who were stuck with them.

For a short time prior to 1940 it was required that headlamp reflectors be painted black and I remember that an Uncle had an old headlamp in his shed that he had painted this way.

[Ellis]

Thank you peterwpg for the Google Streets link and the Blackout information.
It may be of interest to you to know that "my" photo and the Google Street one were both taken from nearly the same location.
The shop opposite to the Ford- which you can just see part of the front window - was a Chemist's shop and remains so to this day. My late father was a Chemist and was employed in this particular dispensing chemist's in Beaumaris when the photo was taken .
The Lloyds' bank is now a gallery as you can see.
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[Calum]

Not any Model Y, but a "long rad" model, and looks to be a Tudor? I do love these cars; a friend of mine has a '36 long rad and it's a really handsome car.

[Bogwort47]

Hi Everyone

A 1935 model was my Dad's first car. He bought it for £100 with some of (all?) of his demob. payment C 1945 in London - I still have the receipt. He then drove it at 60 mph down the A40 & A48 to S Wales - his home with my Mum on board - though I think they were still practising at that time because I wasn't born until 1947. Sorry people but the 'Boss' is calling.
If you would like to hear more about this car and its adventures then please post.

[62rebel]

wonderful pic and i hesitate to question the wisdom of the Home Office during WW2, but.... with all that white paint outlining everything, wouln't that serve to make things all the more simple for Jerry? just asking....

"put out that light!"
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[Ellis]

[hutch1313]

Hi, every one , it is as others here say ,a model Y,
I had one l bought for £35 in 1957, unfortunatly l don't have any pictures at all .but l do remember the registration. as ALL319. and a 1933 model. John.

[Bogwort47]

Well in response to the massive feedback - 1 response - here goes.

Digging deep into my memory - they say that things from way back are easier than what happened yesterday - once you get to a certain age...

Dad owned this car from C1945 to C1955, when it was sold on, not long after being re-engined - he said he wished he had done years before.
The smell of the car sticks in my mind - the upholstery which I think was leather, but the smell of the engine just after it was started was what I liked best.

There were things about the car which Dad found a pain:
The cable brakes which were very erratic in performance, pulling unevenly and unpredictably - this resulted in much driving on the gears and only very occasional use of the brake pedal.
The headlights which being 6 volt were little use other than to give a glimmer of warning to other road users.
No oil filter - this meant that the oil was required to be changed every 1000 miles. I remember the glass bottles it came in to be very tall to me, as a tot then, and narrow in comparison - I think there is an example at Beaulieu.
Again because the 6 Volt system and I guess poor low temperature performance of batteries in those days, having to start it on the handle in Winter and then rush back to catch the fired up engine before it over choked, flooded and stalled. If it flooded in Winter this became a bit of a nightmare as in sub zero temperatures, the only solution was to take the plugs out and dry them out in the kitchen over a burner of our paraffin cooker. Overall, getting started in the Winter was a bit of a nightmare - after swinging it and avoiding the vicious kick back, not slipping over in the snow and ice and getting to the choke control in time was just the start.
Once in a while, Dad would have forgotten to leave the handbrake off when he got home the previous night. Although, the brakes weren't brilliant, if they were frozen on, the reduction in power was such that the car would not get up the hill away from our home.
I should point out that before trying to start up, the radiator had to be re-filled because it would have been drained religiously the night before to prevent freezing - no anti-freeze then. So you have got through all this and then the next problem was whether the radiator had drained out properly the night before. If it hadn't the cooling system could well have an ice blockage in it causing the engine radiator to overheat and boil over within minutes.
All you could do was pray that if it did boil over, that the ice hadn't caused a leak in the system, go and have a cup of tea, a smoke and kick the cat - sorry, that last thing never happened, Dad was always very kind to our cats.

The best thing about CYE 316, not certain now about the 316, as far as Dad was concerned, was that it was a CAR and meant that he didn't have to ride his C1934 New Hudson push bike, now with a mini-motor on the back, the 6 miles to work in all weathers.

I think that's enough for now - still to come:
Using the Beachley Aust ferry
Driving in the snow
Porlock Hill
The spring Saga - the only time it didn't complete a journey - except for the Winter of 1947
Tyre wear
Out the Door
Flood driving.
May be others if they come back to me...

Heh folks if you want to read more please say so - an audience of 1 is a bit underwhelming. Thank you to my 1 reader - I think I may be coming to understand how Wogan felt with his 1 listener.

[Rick]

I really like all stories like this!!!! if you'd like to email me similar recollections, I'll include them in this section of the main site:
http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/motoringmemories.htm

rgds, Rick
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