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Bit of a rant... If it's OK with you chaps.
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52classic



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:06 pm    Post subject: Bit of a rant... If it's OK with you chaps. Reply with quote

Yes, I need to let off steam (and ease my conscience a bit).

I may have told you before about my old pal who is 85 years of age and still driving - very well I might add - Anyway, last year when his old Rover 800 gave up the ghost I found for him an early V6 Mondeo in absolutely stunning condition with all the gadgets he could want.

Very likely be the last car he'll own and we joked that I wanted to find something nice enough for him to put in his will for me!

Last week he took the car to his local garage for MOT and I got a phone call of despair saying that he thought the car was done for. I rushed over to see the MOT failure slip to find only two faults. Screenwash not working and a tiny hole - 10p piece - in the cill forward of the rear wheel. Of course there was some gabbledygook description written on the sheet but the above is what it amounted to - two minor faults.

The second sheet was 'advisories' - Quite a few but IMHO contrived nonsense like surface rust on road springs. I advised him to ignore the second sheet - The car does less than 1000 miles a year anyway and perhaps we could sort a bit of servicing later in the year - The screenwash fault was a pipe off the reservoir visible from above but best reached from underneath. The cill? A welded patch required - Say 50 quid at the most? OK, 75 on a bad day.

I advised him to get the tester to do it because that way he would probably waive the retest fee. So we're all happy then!!!

Not quite, we met up again this week.. "Car alright now?"
"Yes, but not before it cost me SIX HUNDRED QUID!"



Seems he just took the car back to the garage and told the bloke to get on with it, by which the garage thought they had a free hand to do as they liked!

I'm shocked to find that the propensity for rogues in the garage trade is as strong as ever but above all I am annoyed with myself for not taking the whole job in hand on his behalf. In hindsight it would have been so easy!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you spoken to the garage? By law they can only charge a fair rate, given the 2 repairs could only have taken an hour? And no parts involved £600 is real rip off! I'd be inclined to threaten legal action.....

Dave
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Julian



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:
Have you spoken to the garage? By law they can only charge a fair rate, given the 2 repairs could only have taken an hour? And no parts involved £600 is real rip off! I'd be inclined to threaten legal action.....

Dave


They probably changed the 'rusty springs' and fixed all the other advisory stuff, you've had it really, just smile nicely and learn a lesson. Sad

What I find noteworthy is that in the pre-60's MOT thread '52 Classic' would appear to support the MOT process, yet here it's 'Gobbledygook' & 'contrived nonsense.'

Does this show just how useless the MOT actually is from the safety angle? If you're not confident in your own ability and want the vehicle inspected then book it in for a 'once over' by a competent mechanic, spend the £45 but forget the silly paperwork.

Julian.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't really matter whether the car is safe (or extra safe). What matters is that the car is safe in the eyes of authority. If it's not then you're on a hiding to nowhere.

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Julian



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peter scott wrote:
It doesn't really matter whether the car is safe (or extra safe). What matters is that the car is safe in the eyes of authority. If it's not then you're on a hiding to nowhere.

Peter


Peter, that's just what I am saying. So if the vehicle does not legally need an MOT then it doesn't need one to be 'safe in the eyes of authority.' The responsibility rests with the driver or owner.

Similarly the responsibility rests with the driver or owner even if the vehicle does require an MOT. Responsibility for the vehicle remaining safe once if leaves the testing garage certainly doesn't rest with the MOT tester.

Julian.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julian wrote:
Responsibility for the vehicle remaining safe once if leaves the testing garage certainly doesn't rest with the MOT tester.

Julian.


This is true, but I think you are in a stronger position after an accident if it can be shown that the vehicle was deemed to be roadworthy within the last year and that that was not just the opinion of the owner.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Moderator can we all stay on topic, not get dragged into the legalities of needing an MOT or not, as there is another thread for that discussion.

As Buzzy bee, I would be going back to the garage with your Elderly friend, and raising your comment in the middle of a busy waiting room if you could, it is amazing what this can do at times. Of course don't be rude, etc.
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52classic



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks lads, and whilst I don't want to incur the wrath of 'buzzy bee' I do want to justify the gobbldygook & nonsense comment.

No mistake, I do support the MOT process and it has served me well in the past. However current practice is to weave a web of mystery around it IMHO. The holed sill for example was described as 'an unauthorised design modification within xxxmm of a structural member' !! Gobbldygook or what?

Why can't it say small area of corrosion in o/s rear sill?

Dare I say that the first description justifies a big bill, the second doesn't!

Who determines that surface corrosion on a roadspring is worthy advisory anyway? It'll be 'cupholders innefective' next!

My old pal is determined that he doesn't want me to 'have a word' with the tester and in the end it's only money and a valuable lesson learned.

Clearly he had asked the bloke to take care of things and thereby left himself open to exploitation. I just wish I had taken control of the matter in good time. Judging from your responses I needn't feel too guilty about it and I am pleased about that at least!
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