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Anyone planning MOTing their pre 1960s vehicle?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:23 pm    Post subject: Anyone planning MOTing their pre 1960s vehicle? Reply with quote

I see no harm in taking mine for the annual inspection. It gives me piece of mind that everything has been looked over by a professional eye
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I'm not taking mine. I have three cars and a motorbike; these have never failed a test or even had recommendations. This covers 26 years with the 10/4, which, between the last 4 tests has covered less than 100 miles. My cars are so mechanically simple I'm quite capable of spotting and correcting any defects, probably more so than a tester.

Many years ago I had a car failed on brake pipes??? They had spotted some seepage on the luvax system. I never had the same faith in the MOT after that.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given that I was in the "loss of MOT is is a bad idea" camp I guess I'd better get mine done when it expires.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Pigtin on this one.
Why do many people with these old cars feel examination by an MOT tester is so important?
I regularly check everything all over my cars. It could be argued if you don't, should you really be driving anything this old?
If you really feel you're not up to it, then you can just take it anyway of course.

As an enthusiast I have found I end up explaining things to the MOT tester, who lets face it probably learnt his trade on things from the 90's onwards, unless he's one of the diminishing number of the old school.

Let me give you an example - I was told the ball joint gaiters on the steering were leaking on an old Oval window Beetle I used to have. I pointed out to the tester (I always remain with the car when its tested) that they were supposed to be like that as they had grease nipples and I just pumped them with grease until it oozed out a bit - he'd never even seen that before.
Then there's my Merc - I overheard one say to his assistant "Look at this, de Dion suspension". It has swing axles!


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There can be one advantage in an MOT, even if the tester isn't over knowledgeable. If they'll let you have a poke around while it's up in the air, you can spot problems - even if it's only a wee rust patch - a hell of a lot better than you can lying on your back underneath the car with a handlamp of some kind. Plus of course a brake test isn't a bad idea, you can be so used to one car as to not notice a slow deterioration, though getting your mate to drive it round the block once in a while may do just as good a job for practical purposes...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bitumen Boy wrote:
There can be one advantage in an MOT, even if the tester isn't over knowledgeable. If they'll let you have a poke around while it's up in the air, you can spot problems - even if it's only a wee rust patch - a hell of a lot better than you can lying on your back underneath the car with a handlamp of some kind. Plus of course a brake test isn't a bad idea, you can be so used to one car as to not notice a slow deterioration, though getting your mate to drive it round the block once in a while may do just as good a job for practical purposes...


My cars are tested on the MOT with a Tapley tester, on the road. It's no problem to imitate that with a housebrick I'm told.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisD wrote:

Why do many people with these old cars feel examination by an MOT tester is so important?


Hi Chris,

There's a rather long thread on this topic if you want to read the arguments.
http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/forum/phpbb/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12072&start=75&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=loss+mot+test

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mine is going for a 'sort of mot'....my mot tester is very knowledgeable with old cars as he as a few himself, we were discussing the mot exemption earlier this year and he said I could take mine to him for a yearly check, no mot certificate, just his word.

so, when my current official mot runs out at the end of january then I'll take it to him and he'll give it all a check over for £20.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I shall take mine for its MOT when due. No right or wrong opinion here - each to there own but I always value an independent 'check' and I consider myself to be quite knowledgable when it comes to cars having built rally cars and modified vehicles for many years. I remember a few years back taking a Honda CRV I owned for a test to have it failed on a seriously worn ball joint that I had missed.
I also wonder how long it will be before the insurance companies offer favourable rates for MOT'd cars.
All in all its peace of mind I guess for what is, in my opinion, little money.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst there is no doubt that some owners know more about their cars than an MOT inspector,there are some who have no mechanical knowledge worth talking about.
One day a pre 60's death trap will be involved in a serious accident and the anti classic car brigade will have a field day bringing in legislation to force many of them off the road.
I thought things were better left as they were.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

baconsdozen wrote:
Whilst there is no doubt that some owners know more about their cars than an MOT inspector,there are some who have no mechanical knowledge worth talking about.
One day a pre 60's death trap will be involved in a serious accident and the anti classic car brigade will have a field day bringing in legislation to force many of them off the road.
I thought things were better left as they were.


Agree totally. We know we look after our cars but there are so many lowlifes on the road. Mind you, no sign of the -cheapy brigade- over here. But you have to MOT every other year
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes please!

I am also going to have my brake and clutch-linings removed and analysed for asbestos and all of the critical steering and suspension components subjected to non-destructive crack testing (they are 77 years old now).
The paint will be tested for lead content, I am removing the lethal steel front bumpers and fitting air-bags and seat-belts. I am toying with the idea of having a custom catalytic converter made.

No...I'm not really. I will just continue to use the car relatively infrequently, maintain it proportionately too much and keep on driving at significantly less than the notional top speed of 60 miles an hour on the quietest roads I can find.

MOT? Bah Humbug!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope you don´t get killed by some idiot in an MOT free car that has no brakes.

Cars 1950 and older are exempt MOT here. The antique car club I´m in has lots of members with pre 1950s cars. They usually get them MOT´d periodically (or have them go through a test station) just to be on the safe side

What are you afraid of... Expence?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alan 869 wrote:
Hope you don´t get killed by some idiot in an MOT free car that has no brakes.

Cars 1950 and older are exempt MOT here. The antique car club I´m in has lots of members with pre 1950s cars. They usually get them MOT´d periodically (or have them go through a test station) just to be on the safe side

What are you afraid of... Expence?


That's more likely to happen in a collision with one of the huge number of cars in the UK that are less than three years old and so don't need an annual MOT either. These cars have braking systems that are hugely superior to those that my car could have even in the best possible circumstances. Many drivers use no discernible caution when approaching junctions or potentially hazardous situations because they have complete confidence in the car

Yes, like Starbucks et al., I prefer to avoid expense; no shame in that is there? I also dislike confrontation, however mild and like the fact that my car will now never need to become unusable because of my own inertia and prevarication about when the car is fully and exactly good enough to face the examiner.

I always felt that the MOT was weighted aginst me because older cars are now expected to look like they just left the factory. When you like to keep the patina of an original cracked leather interior and a grubby, grease and oil stained chassis, the MOT man tends to be somewhat harsh.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This doesn't apply to me personally as I haven't anything that old but I do take a lot of cars for their MOT annually for friends and family. I usually give them a quick once over before I take them but I have to agree that you can see a heck of a lot more of the underside when it is on a four post lift than you can scratting around on your back! When the tester is looking round underneath I follow him around and it is surprising just what you can find on a modern car, let alone an elderly one with all the nooks and crannies and rust traps etc. For that reason alone I would take mine voluntarily to give piece of mind, especially if it was a daily driver.

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