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[ukdave2002]

A US news report that highlights why ethanol is such a threat.

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/

Dave

[V8 Nutter]

From looking at American forums, it appears 5% ethanol should be O.K. in old cars, 10% may cause problems, it attacks some sorts of rubber and plastic, 15% will allmost certainly cause problems.

At the moment petrol in the U.K. has only 5% but our European masters are trying to force us to use 10%. If you are very concerned about damage Super Unleaded does not have any ethanol at all at the moment.

Some Americans use a fuel stabiliser designed for use when laying up lawn mowers in there old cars if they are not in regular use. Apparently this minimizes the effect of the ethanol.

The irony of this is, according to something I was reading recently it takes more energy to manufacture the ethanol, than the ethanol produces. It is merely something to please the greens.

[Roger-hatchy]

In fact the ?Greens? are starting to wake up to the fact that destroying forests for bio fuels,
And growing for fuel instead of food is not so 'Green'

Also land grabs and moving, one way or another, indiginous people of their land, alive or dead, to maximise profits is not the best way.

[peter scott]

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/news-and-blogs/news/ethanol-is-not-the-answer-sto/
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[47Jag]

I think it suited the Americans to go the Ethanol route for a couple of reasons. The first being the declaration by the government to be self sufficient in oil by (I think??) 2015. Secondly, the fact that they produced an excess of corn from which Ethanol is derived helped. Of course this year there were major crop failure due to the extended drought across the 'cornbelt'. So this year the price of corn has shot up and they will now doubt have to decide between food or fuel. According to another forum they are planning to go to 15%.

Art

[47Jag]

Duplicate post

[baconsdozen]

The EU seems even more of a threat to old cars than the greens ever will be.
I suppose with nothing to do all day but dream up half baked ideas to justify their scandalous salaries we should expect even more nonsense to flow from them over the years.
The quicker we come out of this retirement home for 'has been politicians' the better.

[ukdave2002]

I know these threads tend to generate emotional and sometimes anecdotal replies

But for me there are a whole load of unanswered questions, that I, and I'm sure others, would like an informed and balanced answers to:

For a starter;

• Is ethanol cleaner? including production.
• Would it make the UK more energy independent?
• Are there any effective solutions to protect older vehicles?
• Is the plan to completely phase out low or zero ethanol fuel ?


Any informed members out there?

Dave

[Riley Blue]

Here's a good place to start:
http://fbhvc.co.uk/fuel-information/

[Roger-hatchy]

Dave

No
No
Don't know
Don't know

Been watching this group for some time now after I read about land grabing evictions from famland in Africa in favour of growing fuel not food.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuelwatch/message/5119

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuelwatch/message/5118

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuelwatch/message/5115

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuelwatch/message/5111

[Bitumen Boy]

It's interesting that they flag up the lower fuel economy to be expected with ethanol fuels. My experience when E5 was snuck in - just before Xmas one year - was that one day I filled up the Herald in Abergavenny as usual (tends to be a penny or two cheaper down there) and set off home. Now at the time there were roadworks on the main road so I was habitually taking the mountain road to Blaenavon, which is quite a climb, and then over to Brynmawr to get back on the right road. Halfway up it was pinking so badly that I had to pull off the road and retard the ignition timing a fair bit to even carry on. Now remember that there was pretty much zero publicity about ethanol coming in outside of the trade, my mate who ran a filling station at the time (before I knew him) knew about it but hardly anyone else did, so I just put it down to a bad batch of fuel. Sadly it was no such thing, and though careful experimentation found a reasonable ignition setting, the economy has never recovered. I've generally worked it out after every fill up (don't keep a little book though) and where before it used to average 35-36 mpg in normal use now I rarely get more than 30-31. And it's only got more expensive since then

[ukdave2002]

[Bitumen Boy]

Looks like E10 is gong to be introduced by stealth too. Super unleaded isn't much of an option either (though it's perhaps better than nothing) - there's no guarantee of it being or remaining ethanol free, and even if that were to be the case a lot of stations don't stock it.

Still, it's a nice little scam, and it will keep the motor and banking industries going for years as people replace perfectly good cars wrecked by ethanol and probably get a fair number of proles off the road altogether as a bonus...

[alanb]

Came across this earlier this evening, should we be worrying about 6 or 10%.

In France in the 1920s the Government decreed that all petrol had to have at least 10 percent alcohol added to it and Germany followed suit. By the mid 1930s every European country was offering motorists alcohol blended fuels. In Britain there were two popular alcohol blended brands in the 1930s, Cities Service Oil Co 'Citex Koolmotor' alcohol blend spirit had about 16 percent alcohol in the mix, most of the petrol was imported by some petrol and the alcohol were UK sourced. The Koolmotor alcohol blend seems to have disappeared just before or during World War Two. Cleveland's 'Discol' brand was about 25 percent alcohol. the alcohol was mainly supplied by the Distillers Company (the 'Discol' brand was a contraction of Distillers Company alcohol). Esso bought into Cleveland during the later 1930s and obtained a controlling interest just after the war (although the brand was still used).

Vintage Garage History of Cleveland Petrols
www.vintagegarage.co.uk/histories/cleveland%20petrols.htm
CLEVELAND PETROLS was the trade mark of The Petroleum Storage and Finance Corporation Ltd independently operating in the North East of England in the ...

Alan
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Morris 8 two seater

[alanb]

Another interesting site on ethanol
www.igg.org.uk/gansg/12-linind/pet-add.htm
Alan
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