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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:00 pm    Post subject: If you were Transport Minister ... Reply with quote

.. first thing I'd do is make learners take their driving test in a Moggy Minor or similar, drum brakes, on crossplies, to get a good feel for what's going on with road surfaces, and learn how to plan ahead for junctions etc. No parking gizmos, electronic fripperies, just back-to-basics motoring.



What would you change or introduce, seriously or otherwise (without getting party political)? Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with you on that Rick, but I would go further, requiring learners to keep a log book of driving experience and demonstrate that they have covered at least 2000 miles of miscellaneous traffic conditions before they sit the test. It is ridiculous that a 17 year old can sign up for £99 worth of instruction and pass their test after about 4 hours on the road, and then be let loose in a go-faster Corsa on the motorway.

And second I would create highways such that you can get to Leeds Bradford Airport without having to embark on something like a safari!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm with you both on the learning subject, but I would say that new drivers should be taught about basic mechanics too.......I only read the other day on another car forum about a lad....he let his car jack down with the axle stands under the fuel tank.....needless to say there was fuel everywhere Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: If you were Transport Minister ... Reply with quote

Rick wrote:
.. first thing I'd do is make learners take their driving test in a Moggy Minor or similar, drum brakes, on crossplies, to get a good feel for what's going on with road surfaces, and learn how to plan ahead for junctions etc. No parking gizmos, electronic fripperies, just back-to-basics motoring.

RJ


I agree with the sentiment of learning on an "unassisted" vehicle but I wouldn't give it high priority.

I certainly would give high priority to forward planning when driving and to instill a full understanding of how not to upset other road users.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: If you were Transport Minister ... Reply with quote

Hi
peter scott wrote:
Rick wrote:
.. first thing I'd do is make learners take their driving test in a Moggy Minor or similar, drum brakes, on crossplies, to get a good feel for what's going on with road surfaces, and learn how to plan ahead for junctions etc. No parking gizmos, electronic fripperies, just back-to-basics motoring.

RJ


I agree with the sentiment of learning on an "unassisted" vehicle but I wouldn't give it high priority.

I certainly would give high priority to forward planning when driving and to instill a full understanding of how not to upset other road users.

Peter


After 44 yrs in the proffession I find that the old saying "You can take a horse to water etc etc" applies to most people including learners.

No instructor has taught them the stupid things you see them do.

It doesn't matter what we teach them, or as the DVSA would now encourage "coach them, in a client centered manner" they have had 15 to 16 yrs of being shown "how to drive" by their idiot parents.
As for 4 hrs on a £99 course those are the cheapo instructors working for less than the minimum wage and frankly if anyone passes with them for less than £500 to £700 pounds I'll be surprised.

If I got a pupil who is committed to real driving and shows apptitude then I'd expect them to pass somewhere between 25 and 35 hrs, the DVSA survey statistics show that currently the average is around 45 hrs tuition with plenty of private practice.

The real problem with too many youngsters these days is that they get spoonfed everything they want, and coonsider that a driving licence is just their right and not the privilege it really is.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would make it compulsory for every car drive to have to drive a full 12 months on a Motorcycle,

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kevin2306 wrote:
I would make it compulsory for every car drive to have to drive a full 12 months on a Motorcycle, Kev


Agreed great idea, that'll learn 'em Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D4B wrote:


Agreed great idea, that'll learn 'em Cool


Or, more likely, remove them from the roads Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abolish speed humps. All of them. No excuses.

Introduce fines for people who park small cars tight up to the wall in carparks, so you think there's a space when there isn't. Actually I think they should be shot, preferably against the same wall, but I doubt that would be politically expedient...

Set and enforce minimum standards of highway maintenance. Not just concentrating on potholes, but bad drainage, sunken gullies and covers, weak haunches, white lining/catseyes and dangerously polished surfaces too. The penalties would need to be hefty, but fines only take money away from maintenance, so I suggest that we simply jail the councils' bean counters, or perhaps pillory them for a few days in the centre of a busy roundabout...

Stop highway authorities placing unnecessary traffic lights all over the place, and possibly ban them altogether for new work. There are several sets that have gone in round here over the last few years where roads have been altered, and sensibly sized roundabouts would have been a better option in every case.

Set and enforce minimum standards for the length and gradient of entry sliproads on dual carriageways and motorways. Most constructed during the last few years are too short for safety under any circumstances, and many climb too steeply to allow smaller cars and goods vehicles to gain enough speed to merge safely.

Ban front foglights altogether, then set and enforce much better standards of headlamp beam setting. I find if I have to be out at night that not being dazzled to some degree by an oncoming vehicle is rare enough to be worthy of comment.

Abolish all 50mph speed limits on single carriageway roads. They're annoying and let's face it, the only purpose of them is to raise money in speeding fines.

Force a review of all pedestrianisation schemes, and set minimum design standards to ensure proper traffic flow - some of these schemes have just gone too far. Try driving across Cardiff city centre from south to north or vice versa and you'll see what I mean.

Force a review of all parking restrictions. There are a hell of a lot of double yellows in Valleys streets that were necessary when they were busy A roads, but are largely pointless now the bypass carries all the through traffic. Of course nobody takes any notice of them, and the restrictions aren't seriously enforced; but there are pinch points that could really do with sensible restrictions properly enforced.

Finally, seeing as we've gone so far with "safety" technology in modern cars, I'd take it all a wee bit further. Nobody is going to tell me that car manufacturers can't come up with a gadget to stop drivers tailgating other vehicles all the time, in fact these days they could even include sensors to allow for differing road conditions. Perhaps the reason we don't have it yet is that much of the road system would clog up altogether if people gave themselves enough room in front to stop safely, and that would embarass the government?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D4B wrote:
kevin2306 wrote:
I would make it compulsory for every car drive to have to drive a full 12 months on a Motorcycle, Kev


Agreed great idea, that'll learn 'em Cool

South Africa had a good system when I lived there. At the age of 16 youngsters were allowed to ride 50cc motorcycles, known colloquially as "buzz-bikes", and could only get a car licence (and/or licence for a larger 'bike) at the age of 18. That gave them a couple of years to learn respect for road hazards and come a cropper at relatively low speed before progressing to something more lethal.

Taking it a step further, therefore, make those two years on a buzz-bike a precondition for driving cars or riding larger 'bikes.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well one thing I always mention is the stupid use of one way roads where there have been a big number of traffic accidents!!
Why do I or others have to do a big round to get somewhere because of other stupid users who cannot read the stop, give way etc signs and just carry on pressing the wrong pedal instead!
I'd say its about time to introduce a penalty system, say if you've had more than 5 accidents serious or not and they've been your fault, licence is taken away and you have to resit for the test!!
That'll teach many to observe road signs and also be courteous to other road users!!
I think this would be much more relevant than the current system where your license is taken away when you've had a number of fines!!
I'm talking mostly about my country in this case not the UK!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have just one item but as a start I would:-

1. Ensure all highways are suitably maintanied, grass verges trees and bushes kept trimmed so that sign posts aren't allowed to be 'hidden' from view. I would fine councils for not maintaining them adequately.
2. Drivers could seek compensation (reduction in road tax) for damage caused by 'pot holes'.
3. All roundabouts need to have direction arrows on them. There are to many drivers now, who don't seem to know which lane to use, cutting up or across as they see fit.
3. Removal of all 'button' or 'painted' roundabouts.
4. Abolish speed humps.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like a change to taking an HGV test. You have to take a test on a modern truck whereas your old classic is a lot more difficult to drive. I'd bring in a test to take to drive older HGV's/PSV's with limitations to only drive vehicles up to a certain age.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dobbin wrote:

3. All roundabouts need to have direction arrows on them. There are to many drivers now, who don't seem to know which lane to use, cutting up or across as they see fit.


That puts me in mind of another pet hate of mine in modern highway design, that again would be abolished as soon as possible with hefty penalties for non-compliance by the council bean counters. There are a great many locations round here where you have either traffic lights or a roundabout, with arrows instructing you to use both lanes to go straight ahead, but then the road immediately narrows into a single lane on the far side of the junction. It's utter madness that serves only to hold the traffic up as two lanes of traffic try to filter into one, and yet it seems almost universal for new work these days. I would close off one lane of the junction, and again, set up a pillory for the idiot that designed it.
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