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Farewell to the Tax Disc
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mikeC



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:51 pm    Post subject: Farewell to the Tax Disc Reply with quote

Well, it's only a few days before we say goodby to the Tax Disc. From 1st October DVLA will no longer be issuing the paper Tax Disc, and it will no longer be an offence to fail to display a current tax disc.

Will you miss it?

I don't feel strongly about it, but I do feel that in future years we will come to miss it; and it will be far harder in years to come to regain the old registration number of a car that has been off the road for years if there is no tax disc evidence.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The powers that be did away with our windscreen stickers a couple of years ago and since then many people have been prosecuted for failing to license their cars! Not because they have done so deliberately, but because they no longer have the date of expiry in front of them! The authorities notify you that it is due, generally five or six weeks before actual expiry, but this gets forgotten. (An expired license is a serious matter as our third party insurance is included in the license fee.)

An enterprising company has started up just to email you a couple of days before expiry. (At a cost!)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I got my new modern in Feb this year, it of course didn't have a tax disc, it arrived a week or so later, but I never bothered to fit, it's been quite nice having a totally clear windscreen.

Of the 3 things ones obliged to have to keep a vehicle on the road in the UK, namely, tax, insurance and MOT, it odd that the least important of these is the one that required displaying.

I'm planning on fitting period disc to my classics, for the year they were manufactured

It will be interesting to see in 12 months time if there has been an increase in tax avoidance.

To Mike's point about reclaiming an original registration; it shouldn't be a problem because as long as the vehicle has had any flavour of a V5 in its life, the DVLA will have an electronic record.

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ka



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Claiming original registrations are easier if the vehicle has a V5, but not impossible if not, but a different issue.
I had a phone call from the original owner of my Morgan (I bought it off him, therefore am the second owner from new), and he was doing a bit of house clearing, and found some of the tax discs from 1960, 61 and 62. I now have something to place in my tax disc holder.
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peter scott



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess it may increase the number of abandoned cars littering our streets but I do like the thought that I can now legally display a period disc instead of another reminder that we live in the present day.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 12-year-old collector of tax discs:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2771457/My-hobby-taxing-s-fun-Boy-collects-12-000-discs-old-car-windscreens.html

Will the number of people having an interest in velology increase I wonder?

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Old Wrench



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My current concerns are two: since my wife and I regularly travel to and from France and reside at our French home for extended periods of time, the gendarmes usually look for a tax disc or some other such, including the Carte Verte, which proves valid insurance is in force. There is of course, no road fund tax in France (unless the car is used for purely commercial purposes).

Additionally, the gendarmes demand the paper counterpart of the driving license: however this also vanished early next year!

I can just imagine a roadside check gendarme pulling out his iPhone and searching for the UK government DVLA site;.

Not!
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baconsdozen



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are they getting rid of tax discs anyway. As I understand it if you sell a car thats taxed you it is surrendered automatically and you get a rebate (only for complete months,and if you buy a car you must tax it (back dated to the first day of the current month). Is that the reason,it increases revenue?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

baconsdozen wrote:
Is that the reason,it increases revenue?

Got to get the money to waste on other things somehow Confused
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Old Wrench



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

baconsdozen wrote:
Why are they getting rid of tax discs anyway. As I understand it if you sell a car thats taxed you it is surrendered automatically and you get a rebate (only for complete months,and if you buy a car you must tax it (back dated to the first day of the current month). Is that the reason,it increases revenue?


Revenue Harvesting is a useful (for Government!) side-effect, I believe.

Main reason is the present Government's insatiable fervor to lose as many bureaucrats as possible and make everyone do everything online.

Funny though, I've yet to read about hordes of civil service redundancies.....

Problem is as I experience on a daily basis in my professional practice, these government departments now effectively hide behind a communications firewall!

It is almost impossible to contact anyone!
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Penman



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
Some of you may be aware that I have been a driving isntructor for the last 44 years, I also have a monthly column in one of the profession's association's news journals.
In the 2013 March column which would be in members' hands in time for the beginning of April I published this:
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Tax Disc Bombshell
In a shock announcement, just before Easter, the Minister for Transport (Roads) announced that the DVLA would no longer be sending out Road Fund licences.
He issued a press release at the 1st Annual Pancake Race In Llanfairopo, during a visit to the nearby DVLA at Swansea, on Shrove Tuesday.
In an effort to further reduce government spending and in view of the fact that 99.9% of all car tax renewals are now carried out online, the government has withdrawn the pre-printed road fund licence.
This follows on from the withdrawal of pre-printed MoT forms and the intention to stop having pre-printed documents altogether including V5Cs.
In future, starting on Easter Monday this year, you will be required to print out your own disc, from the PDF document which will be sent on-line; in order to ensure security the document will only be sent to the registered email address of the vehicle keeper as identified on the V5C..
In a gesture to the Classic Car fraternity, and because there has proved to be a lucrative market in reproduction tax discs,, those cars first registered before January 1960, which no longer require MoT testing and of course are road tax free (pre January 1973) are to be given the option of having a disc design concomitant with those in use at the date of first registration, this is so that the owners can have the vehicle as close as possible to original when displaying them at car shows; this option will only be open to those also displaying the correct pattern of White/Silver on Black registration plates with the correct size and period font.
Those car owners who don’t possess a colour printer will be able to take their document in digital form to an independent printshop or one of the multiples such as Staples and have it printed there.
Alternatively the DVLA will send a printed disc for a tax disc surcharge of £10
There will be printed circle of dots around the disc and by using a sewing machine (without thread) it will be possible to reproduce the perforations using a size 120 needle European (size 19 American)
This correspondent understands that there are also plans on the drawing board to utilise the capability of most printers these days to print on plastic ie printable DVDs and introduce next year a print your own version of the 2 part driving licence.
A spokesman for the DVLA was unavailable for comment, but the sounds of vocal protest could be heard clearly over the noise of people running away from the discharges from the squadron of overflyng British Landrace.

The date of Easter Monday 2013 is significant as is an anagram of the pancake race location.
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baconsdozen



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm amazed Cameroon and the Posh Boys haven't privatized the DVLA and hived it off to some company that half dozen tories have got shares in. Maybe they will,and this is just the first step.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must bring this up to date before they disappear!

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baconsdozen



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long before a tax disc holder pops up on the Antique Road Show?.
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Riley Blue



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I checked a moment ago, 41,518 optimistic sellers were offering tax disc holders on Ebay...
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