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Rick
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 Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:22 pm Post subject: Scrappage, 2009, the figures |
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This makes for an interesting read, of the cars weighed in to gain a £2k allowance on a new car during the UK's scrappage scheme.
(This is a preview, there's a link to download the full spreadsheet at the foot of the page. The accuracy of the data entered in leaves something to be desired also.)
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/357672/bis-foi-2014-20775-scrapped-vehicles-supporting-data.csv/preview
Of course, the cars could have been pretty ropey, clinging gamely to the remains of a short-lived MOT certificate, but it seems like a shame to lose the following, regardless of their fitness:
Morris Minors 83 in all
Morris Oxford 2
Austin A30 1
Austin A40 Devon 1
Austin Healey 1
BMW 3.0CSi 1 (really!???)
Trabant 1
Triumph Dolomite Sprint 1
Triumph Spitfire 12
Triumph Herald 11
Standard Eight/Ten 2
Morgan 4/4 1 (?????)
MGB GT 16
Hillmans (all) 11
Ford Zephyr 1
Citroen Dyane 4
Wolseleys (all) 4
The cull of XJS Jaguars will also upset fans.
RJ
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Riley Blue
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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It makes for depressing reading but at least we saved one of the Rileys heading for the crusher, a RM.
It's a pity the list is not more accurate (a bit like 'How Many Left?' in that respect) - was an Audi A5 really scrapped...?
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Classic_Dave
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Very interesting Rick, more Spitfires (21 no.) lost then Heralds and 3 Stags. |
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lowdrag
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| 6556 Renault Clios stand out as rather excessive, but telling, and 1,415 Lagunas. It is difficult to read since due to the prevalent inability to spell you see Lagoona, Lagina (wonder where his mind was?), Lagauna, Laguana, and all are faithfully recorded as a separate model. And don't get me onto the spelling of Megane (3,052 though). 6,100 Golfs and Golds (sic) I see. |
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Bitumen Boy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:51 am Post subject: |
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The scrapped classics may have been pretty ropy - though there were some well publicised cases that weren't - but I'd hazard a guess that a car fit enough to be patched up for a quick MOT to qualify for scrappage would have been fit enough to be restored properly. Shame on the politicians, I forget whether it was the blue tories or the red tories that thought this one up, but I reckon I hate them equally by now anyway  |
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Bitumen Boy
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| I haven't seen this, but I doubt Brussels are too bothered seeing as all Scameron is after is a quick favourable headline in the Mail, Express et al - it'll never see the light of day. |
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norustplease
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Bitumen Boy wrote: | | The scrapped classics may have been pretty ropy - though there were some well publicised cases that weren't - but I'd hazard a guess that a car fit enough to be patched up for a quick MOT to qualify for scrappage would have been fit enough to be restored properly. Shame on the politicians, I forget whether it was the blue tories or the red tories that thought this one up, but I reckon I hate them equally by now anyway |
Scrappage was a con. Nothing to do with the environment, just a way of trying to bump start part of the economy.
Anything with an MOT would have had a potential value and could have been sold, the seller would then have been in a position to negotiate a decent discount on his new car, something which I gather was not likely to be forthcoming under the scrappage deal.
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47Jag
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I was amazed at the number of German cars that were on the list. I question the precision of the models though as there were a great many Audi A3s on the list which makes me suspect that there may have been a convenient drop down menu to tick.
As to the economic value, I think the main beneficiaries were the South Korean economy specifically Hyundai.
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colwyn500
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I scrapped a Cinquecento under this scheme and bought a brand n2w Fiat Panda.. I knew it was all a bit of a con but planned to find another one after sorting the deal.
Two years later the dealer had a secondhand one on which the asking price was more than we had paid for the new one.
It was good for the customer if you chose carefully, more so for the dealer but I would say a disaster on the wider scale, for the environment.
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Richard H
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| Bitumen Boy wrote: | | Shame on the politicians, I forget whether it was the blue tories or the red tories that thought this one up, but I reckon I hate them equally by now anyway |
It was the 'Red Tories'. Among the cars not mentioned in the list above was a 1953 Triumph Mayflower, which was traded in for a BINI. BMW refused to save it and it was crushed
As an aside, who cares about the modern cars that were scrapped? Apart from the fact it was incredibly wasteful of course, I won't be mourning their demise.
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MikeEdwards
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I have emailed the department that produced this list and asked them if they can provide statistics for what makes and models were purchased under the scrappage scheme - it would be interesting to see what proportion were manufactured in the UK, or at least by a company who makes at least one model in the UK.
If I get a reply I'll post it. So far I haven't even had an acknowledgement. |
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MikeEdwards
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Well, I didn't get a reply, so I tried with another two emails and still heard nothing. So I wrote to my MP and asked him to find out, and here is the top 20 vehicles by manufacturer for new vehicles which had a scrappage scheme trade-in against them.
Make Quantity
Hyundai 43524
Ford 43091
Volkswagen 31252
Kia 29130
Fiat 28694
Toyota 28332
Vauxhall 25771
Peugeot 15856
Nissan 15556
Renault 13449
Skoda 13056
Honda 12462
Suzuki 12258
Citroen 10691
Mazda 10451
Mini 7331
Volvo 6830
Seat 6359
Audi 4250
BMW 4032 |
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Rusty
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Just a question from someone outside the UK that has no idea, but how many of those replacement cars were made in the UK ?
I am assuming a large percentage of Fords and Vauxhauls were, but is there any others ? Do any of the European or Asian company's manufacture in Britain, or are they all imported ? |
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