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Rootes75



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:14 pm    Post subject: Salvage Squad Reply with quote

Was watching an old repeat of Salvage Squad last night and they were restoring a Morgan 3-wheeler. I know these programmes skip on a bit but when it came to painting 3 of them slapped on paint with brushes over various parts of the body and then in a moment it panned to it all assembled and finished and the paint job was immaculate.

I know you can get good results hand painting but surely not that good?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can be. In my youth the new lorries sold from the garage were mostly hand painted in the liveries of the buyers. They looked fabulous too. In those days they also had what is now known as pin striping decoration too, but that is another subject.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Old Man served his time before the war where an apprentice started at 14 and went through all the departments. The garage had a limo service, and rebodied customers cars. He spent time with the coach painter, in his old age he could still lay on paint with a finish like glass using an aged but good quality brush. It's the old school quality way to do it, he spoke of at least 20 coats as not unusual, each cut back with a finer medium, the last with talc! (this would have been on Rolls Royces, Daimlers, Minervas etc though, a Morgan would have probably been boshed with the yard broom. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just about any paint job can be cut back to look fantastic, if there is enough thickness of paint; yesteryear it would have been brushmarks that were removed , today its orange peel, runs have allways been around Smile

The real skill is not having any of these "defects" or at least minimising them in the first place.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orange peel, I had forgotten about that, I thought BLMC had a special order planished panel finish for Maxi's and Marina's, some of the ones that My Old Man got as loan cars looked like they been sprayed in hammerite.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've roller painted a couple of cars with excellent results. You need to choose the right paint, which is formulated for coach panting, since it will have self levelling properties that help mask any brush/roller marks.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigJohn wrote:
My Old Man served his time before the war where an apprentice started at 14 and went through all the departments. The garage had a limo service, and rebodied customers cars. He spent time with the coach painter, in his old age he could still lay on paint with a finish like glass using an aged but good quality brush. It's the old school quality way to do it, he spoke of at least 20 coats as not unusual, each cut back with a finer medium, the last with talc! (this would have been on Rolls Royces, Daimlers, Minervas etc though, a Morgan would have probably been boshed with the yard broom. Laughing


My Dad was also apprenticed at 14 (although his schooling was further advanced than pupils of that age have reached these days). He also reminisced about the hand finished coachwork in the way described here.

In those far off days if a car had an altercation rather than reach for a new panel, the garage would be expected to effect a repair using panel beating techniques and produce a perfectly finished result by hand.

My Dad recalled seeing a badly dented wing on a big Talbot. At first he was convinced that it could not be done but a couple of old hands showed how the metal could be beaten back into shape and hand painted so that it looked as good as new. No plastic body filler in those days of course but lead loading which was (and still is) a real skill.
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Ashley



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That episode was filmed in a Bristol owning chums workshops. He was extremely uncomplimentary about the whole enterprise. Brush painting straight onto aluminium won't work. It'll fall off. They made various mistakes, ran over on time and it didn't even have any brake drums if I remember correctly. As a result, they drove it round Brian's field for the finish.

Even worse news is that Chris Evans is the new Top Gear presenter. Crying or Very sad
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Chris Evans is the new Top Gear presenter I won't bother to tune in. I wonder how many viewers will go along with this latest BBC management fiasco?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
I had heard that they might go the same route as HIGNFY by having a different presenter each week alongside the hamster and jazzer may.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penman wrote:
Hi
I had heard that they might go the same route as HIGNFY by having a different presenter each week alongside the hamster and jazzer may.


Hammond and May are not part of the deal, apparently.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talking about "Salvage Squad" not doing a very good job; they refurbished a 1902 White steam car that had been badly damaged in an accident but they made a poor job of repairing a bronze brake drum, which collapsed on the London to Brighton run,resulting in the car failing (for the first time) to reach the finish.

It's a shame if they can't actually perform miracles. In the programmes they always seem to manage super human feats of restoration.

Shattered the illusion somewhat Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind watching it, the restoration projects are interesting and my 3 year old boy will sit glued to it when its on. I just think most of the work looks shoddy and there is a lot of hitting things with hammers etc.

As for Chris Evans, not sure how that will go but will reserve judgement till I've seen one.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are any of these restoration programmes to be taken seriously? I don't think so, they're all entertainment with a car theme, not a documentary as such.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely! Sheer entertainment value. They are as genuine as a Dingle garage!
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