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Rick Site Admin

Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 22778 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:06 am Post subject: Incorrect-looking pressed aluminium numberplates |
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Morning all,
Has anyone else noticed how many old cars now have newly-made pressed no. plates, that just don't look right at all. The profile of the letters isn't correct, almost too rounded, compared to how the originals in the 1960s and earlier were. I mentioned this to Richard H the other week when he called by, and he'd noticed the same thing.
Are they all coming from one supplier, or are all new pressed plates looking like this now?
This, for example, looks correct to me
as does this
I'll have to see whether I can find a few head-on shots to better illustrate what I mean.
I'm not sure that this is quite right, for instance:
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Am I too pedantic?
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mikeC

Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1808 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Incorrect-looking pressed aluminium numberplates |
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Rick wrote: |
Am I too pedantic?
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No, you're not,Rick; I have been going on about unsuitable numberplates for years
I think the Sunbeam Tiger's look ok, but that Morris Commercial uses the smaller lettering introduced in 1963, which is obviously inappropriate for the age of that vehicle.
What really gets my goat is the hand written plates often with serif lettering and/or in incorrect colours, which have never been legal. Only yesterday I was looking at an old copy of The Automobile with a highly desireable and expensively restored Amilcar C6 on the cover, totally spoiled for me by the registration number - white on red with ugly lettering  |
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colwyn500
Joined: 21 Oct 2012 Posts: 1745 Location: Nairn, Scotland
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pedantic too! I dislike cars having black and silver plates when registered in the late 60s and early 70s. Just because they were legal it didn't mean that it was all that common to fit them once reflective plates became available.
I am proud that my Fiat has its original 1969 plates.
COR_1017 by Peter Thompson, on Flickr
Among these smaller Fiats on another Forum there has been a recent tendency to fit tiny plates that have a ressemblance to original Italian plates...I hate that too. 
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PAUL BEAUMONT
Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Posts: 1281 Location: Barnsley S. Yorks
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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I agree too. Maybe there is a business opportunity here for producing "aged" plates. My front plate recently cracked along the "1" in the number and I decided that an extra screw in the plate wad preferable to new ones. |
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mikeC

Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1808 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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colwyn500 wrote: |
Among these smaller Fiats on another Forum there has been a recent tendency to fit tiny plates that have a resemblance to original Italian plates...I hate that too.  |
Me too - in fact I've received quite a bit of criticism for fitting period-legal plates to the Lancia
I don't care, I like it like that  |
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Rick Site Admin

Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 22778 Location: UK
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minormatt
Joined: 03 Aug 2015 Posts: 48
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: Incorrect-looking pressed aluminium numberplates |
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mikeC wrote: |
What really gets my goat is the hand written plates often with serif lettering and/or in incorrect colours, which have never been legal. |
You sure about that? Aluminium plates wern't around when the motor car act 1903 came in to force on 1/1/1904
That numberplate has been fitted since at least 1934... it has been owned by imperial college since then. There is a picture of the car with its original owner showing the same numberplate (either that or a very good copy was made). The picture isn't dated but its believed to have been taken arou d 1908-1910.
I'm not sure when a mandatory font came in - but it wasn't when vehicles started having to show registration numbers in 1904 |
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mikeC

Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1808 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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I have nothing against painted plates - I have them on my 1914 Saxon - and the James & Brown's plates are exactly correct. There was no font or typeface specified, but right from 1904 when plates were first required, colour, spacing and dimensions were very precisely specified.
This is the sort of thing which irritates me:
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7075 Location: Derby
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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It should also have a tax disc (nil) and wings to begin with if it is to be road legal. |
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Ellis
Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 1386 Location: Betws y Coed, North Wales
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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This subject is one "bee in the bonnet" I have had for years.
Pressed numberplates were commonly used on commercial vehicles in the 1950s and 1960s but were rarely used on passenger cars. Of all the cars my family have owned , only one had a pressed 'plate and that was a 1966 Mini Estate, EFF 392D. A "metal" sides one and not a "woody".
Everything else had raised peak letters and numbers, for example :
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Our 1962 Vauxhall Victor and Vauxhall Velox :
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Because both vehicles were from 1962 both had 3 1/2" letters and numbers, later cars had 3 1/8" (or was it 3 1/4") hence the 1963 Austin A60 in the next photo :
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I understand why modern classic car owners buy pressed aluminium number plates and this is because they are considerably cheaper then raised digit ones.
These are the original 'plates on my late 1967 Ford Escort van :
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There was one British Leyland Dealer, Minffordd Motors, near Caernarfon which continued with black and silver 'plates until the reflective ones became compulsory in 1973.[/img] _________________ Starting Handle Expert
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MikeEdwards
Joined: 25 May 2011 Posts: 2701 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ray White wrote: | It should also have a tax disc (nil) and wings to begin with if it is to be road legal. |
Tax disc?
I've got pressed reflective plates on the Firenza, because that's what my project car (of similar age) had on it from new. I've bought similar new ones for that as well, but neither has quite the correct font. I did find someone on eBay years ago who claimed to have the correct old-style press dies, but would only be able to make so many plates as they couldn't be replaced once they wore out.
The original plates on my project have lost their reflective backgrounds, but I recently got some sheets of what appears to be the correct stuff, from a local car boot sale. I intend to try to renovate them, at some point.
Silver on black on cars that don't deserve them? Usually look awful, owners should be, well, not shot perhaps but something.
I recently read something that suggests the cut-off date for these plates has been aligned with the road tax exemption date, but the MOT testers site still reflects (sorry...) the pre-73 date. The FBHVC are saying it's rolling, but I don't think it is. |
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peter scott

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7211 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know who the lady and her chauffeur are but the gent leaning on his car is the designer of the Jaguar mascot F. Gordon Crosby.
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Phil - Nottingham

Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1252 Location: Nottingham
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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It is nice to see the correct period plates but if period but brand new ones even if period are fitted they can still look out of place. Our 1972 Series 3 Land Rover still has its reflectives with attached numbers but they are really tatty and the back yellow plate has almost lost its coating. As does our 1973 P5B
I agree about pressed plates being the cheap option but our 1938 Rover 16 has 3 1/2" pressed plates which must be original but are a lot thicker than modern pressed plates. The 14 on the left sports its cast alloys
I will post a picture soon
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minormatt
Joined: 03 Aug 2015 Posts: 48
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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This will annoy some of you... another one I played with
And this one which may annoy less?
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mikeC

Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1808 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Ellis wrote: | This subject is one "bee in the bonnet" I have had for years.
Pressed number plates were commonly used on commercial vehicles in the 1950s and 1960s but were rarely used on passenger cars... |
Sorry, but I disagree; pressed plates were the standard fitment through the sixties, you had to pay extra for raised plates and most people didn't. My father bought three new cars during the sixties, and all had the cheap pressed plates - 1960 and 1963 Heralds, and 1967 Triumph 2000. In 1973 I bought a one year old Triumph Dolomite which was the original Kennings demonstrator, and that had black and white pressed plates! |
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