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PAUL BEAUMONT
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Rick
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baconsdozen
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D4B
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Dipster
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[quote="PAUL BEAUMONT"]Probably the vehicle that has done more to save lives (in the hands of various rescue services) and to build various aspects of the British economy
Not for the last few decades it hasn`t. Nowadays Land Rovers are rarely seen in such roles outside the UK. The marque that I reckon does the job now is Toyota. LR have gone so far up market that they are not really of any use "in the wild".
When I am travelling in remote areas my Defender often attracted interest. The LR reputation is still strong. It is just the sales performance that is lacking!
UK farmers now seem to use Jap pickups too. At least you have a decent heater and can hear the radio.......
LR do not seem at all interested in utilities any more. Not enough profit in it for them I guess. |
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D4B
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Ashley
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I think the truth is that they've struggled to sell them because they're fearfully expensive, not terribly reliable, very noisy and rot prone.
Curiously they've a huge following in the second hand market, spares are readily available and not terribly expensive, so lots love them. |
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Dipster
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| Ashley wrote: | I think the truth is that they've struggled to sell them because they're fearfully expensive, not terribly reliable, very noisy and rot prone.
Curiously they've a huge following in the second hand market, spares are readily available and not terribly expensive, so lots love them. |
I cannot agree with you, and least not as far as my basic Defender 110 Tdi CSW goes.
I have had mine, from new, for the last 18 years and coming up for a quarter of a million kilometres. My sons calculate that we have visited 42 countries with never a breakdown. I still get about 35 MPG. Any replacement parts, other than the usual wear items, have been my fault. I am thinking principally of transmission items when it spent a great deal of time in the Pantanal, in Brazil, where the constant hot road running then travelling on water covered roads, didn`t do the oil and bearings much good. Mea culpa......
But otherwise its simplicity has given me a versatile, reliable vehicle that has done us proud. Only this week it has carried sacks of cement and a new dining room table. It is still as solid as a rock.
But that said I would buy a new one? No way. they are much too complicated! |
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Dipster
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| Ashley wrote: | I think the truth is that they've struggled to sell them because they're fearfully expensive, not terribly reliable, very noisy and rot prone.
Curiously they've a huge following in the second hand market, spares are readily available and not terribly expensive, so lots love them. |
I cannot agree with you, and least not as far as my basic Defender 110 Tdi CSW goes.
I have had mine, from new, for the last 18 years and coming up for a quarter of a million kilometres. My sons calculate that we have visited 42 countries with never a breakdown. I still get about 35 MPG. Any replacement parts, other than the usual wear items, have been my fault. I am thinking principally of transmission items when it spent a great deal of time in the Pantanal, in Brazil, where the constant hot road running then travelling on water covered roads, didn`t do the oil and bearings much good. Mea culpa......
But otherwise its simplicity has given me a versatile, reliable vehicle that has done us proud. Only this week it has carried sacks of cement and a new dining room table. It is still as solid as a rock.
But that said I would buy a new one? No way. they are much too complicated! |
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Ashley
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| I'm repeating what I read somewhere in the last few days and now can't find, but as I said, they have a very loyal following once they're second hand despite corrosion problems. |
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Billf
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Ashley
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| Tata is Land Rover. |
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Billf
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Hi Ashley. Aye mate i know. You could say they are quite a big company. When we lived in India. We used Tata Internet and Mobile Phone service. They are every where. But not doing too good with the Steel works though in South Wales and other parts of the UK.
This is Tata. http://www.tata.com/company/index/Tata-companies |
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Ashley
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| Billf wrote: | Hi Ashley. Aye mate i know. You could say they are quite a big company. When we lived in India. We used Tata Internet and Mobile Phone service. They are every where. But not doing too good with the Steel works though in South Wales and other parts of the UK.
This is Tata. http://www.tata.com/company/index/Tata-companies |
South Wales is terribly sad, but not Tata's fault. The Chinese are suffering far more and their steel is cheaper, so we being an expensive country with expensive electricity etc cannot compete. Governments have a responsibility not to make countries so expensive that they put jobs at risk. Especially given the state of world finances right now. |
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Ellis
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| Rick wrote: | It'll be interesting to see if they continue having a back-to-basics off-roader in their replacement line-up, or leave the utilitarian sector of the market for good.
RJ |
I believe that the next Defender will be built in either Slovakia according to recent sources or even in India according to others. That it will not be built in the UK looks fairly certain except perhaps in CKD form.
There was a rumour in Land Rover enthusiast circles last year that the current Defender will be built again in Turkey and will be sold only in Asia and the East.
Will the next Defender be an icon in the same way as the last?
Who knows?
Defender production in the last few years has been around 13000 a year.
The last year of production will have seen well over 20,000 built.
The motoring press predicts new Defender production to be 100,000 plus per annum and will be sold in the USA, SUV oriented rather than workhorse.
Tata, which owns Land Rover, produces a wide range of commercial vehicles including 4x4 double cab pick up trucks of the type which you see on UK roads daily. In rural areas you see more of these than Land Rover Defenders these days.
Tata's last offering in the UK was the Tata Loadbeta pick up truck in various guises from late 1994 and as renamed TL until 2005. Not many remain and I think that says it all as a testament to it's woeful 1.9 diesel engine with Peugeot origins.
But the Dacia name has been reinvented as a worthy one..................
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