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Miken



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject: Electric vehicles Reply with quote

I thought someone would have commented here on the proposals to ban the sale of internal combustion engine powered cars by 2040 in the UK by now.
I suspect the rest of Europe will shortly announce similar goals?
My question is this:
Assuming the development of EV,s and the infrastructure to support them goes as planned;
Would anyone, from say, 2035 consider investing what is to many people, a large sum of money in a new, classic or vintage car propelled by an internal combustion engine?
Does anyone else think that in the run up to 2040, the uncertainty of the availability and cost of fuel for private road use in the future will result in the value of ALL I.C.E. powered cars to plummet? Potientialy to valueless (or scrap value) for most.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
They already have here, and it is nearly up to 3 pages.
http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/forum/phpbb/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19647
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Miken



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes. Thanks
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peter scott



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles Reply with quote

Miken wrote:

Does anyone else think that in the run up to 2040, the uncertainty of the availability and cost of fuel for private road use in the future will result in the value of ALL I.C.E. powered cars to plummet? Potientialy to valueless (or scrap value) for most.


I can't see batteries being a viable power source for electric vehicles. Hydrogen fuel cells looks the most likely power source for electric vehicles in the future.
If a network of hydrogen filling stations is created to support electric traction then I don't see why we couldn't use it in our old cars in a similar way to LPG today. OK you will have slight pollution from the burn of lubricating oil in our engines but that is probably tolerable.

Apart from rapid re-fueling another nice thing about hydrogen is that you can create it from electrical sources such as wind and solar that are useless for base load.

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Miken



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our of curiosity I Googled :
'Convert your classic car to electric'

People are already doing it
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Paul fairall



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick search and a basic kit £5000,
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given that at present, if you make changes to a classic car you invariably damage it's value as the purists will turn their noses at it, but if you convert to electric will that increase its value?
At least you will be loved by the Green supporters.
In the stuff I saw on Google it seems the majority of converters are using lead acid battery banks. Life expectancy issues and high replacement cost would surely make this nonsensical? Add in the factor of the weight distribution, where do you put all those gassing cells?
Surely the whole ethic of owning a vintage or classic is to preserve it for future generations? If all the ice engines were removed there's not a great amount of legacy to pass on.
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ukdave2002



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need to remember its not a ban on cars with an internal combustion engine; it a ban on new sales with them.

However it begs the question; what will a litre of fuel cost in 2040? will anyone want to produce it given the very low demand; refinery's can't be cheap bits of plant to maintain & run.....Ethonal may end up being the classic cars savior!

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Ashley



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The money seems to be on electric, but given that we're already short on power stations and have been faffing around since Blair took office and didn't dare build any more for fear of a back bench revolt, they're surely going to cause problems. It takes about a decade or more from conception to completion, so we need to see action soon. Some say Hinckley will never get built and the price is rocketing.
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alanb



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The French seem very keen on the idea, is it that they think we will have to buy more electricity from them? We already have to buy some and with EDF and the Chinese building the new atomic power station they must be getting quite excited.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the Chinese were building a nuclear power station any where near me I recon "I" would be getting excited !!!!
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