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Classics still awaiting destruction from the scrapage scheme
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there are some instances where a scrappage scheme might work but there needs to be protection for scarce or historic vehicles. I have often thought that there needs to be a cap on the number of vehicles on the roads rather than continuing with the present open ended expansion. All we end up doing is building more and more road space which costs a fortune to maintain.

I am intrigued by the idea that for every new car registered a used one is recycled. If there is a rising demand for more new cars than the scrap ones available then market forces would suggest that scrap cars would be increasingly worth more. If manufacturers were held responsible for recycling their 'end of life' products then the system could be self sustaining.

Just an idea. Probably has more holes in it than a rusty floor pan. Laughing
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Bitumen Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Ray White"] If manufacturers were held responsible for recycling their 'end of life' products then the system could be self sustaining.
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I seem to recall this idea being floated in Britain before, maybe about 20 years ago. It foundered on the question of what would be done with the products of long defunct manufacturers, most of which under such a scheme would have been the responsibility of the struggling remnant of BL - whatever they were calling themselves at the time, they would have been bankrupted in pretty short order. The idea was quietly dropped as being unworkable.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Bitumen Boy"]
Ray White wrote:
If manufacturers were held responsible for recycling their 'end of life' products then the system could be self sustaining.
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I seem to recall this idea being floated in Britain before, maybe about 20 years ago. It foundered on the question of what would be done with the products of long defunct manufacturers, most of which under such a scheme would have been the responsibility of the struggling remnant of BL - whatever they were calling themselves at the time, they would have been bankrupted in pretty short order. The idea was quietly dropped as being unworkable.


That's understandable. Some BL vehicles would have never made it past the dealers before being recalled for scrap! Laughing
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Clactonguy



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:47 pm    Post subject: scrapage Reply with quote

sad and does look suspicious having cars 'sorted' as though ready for processing rather than scrapping. It would make more sense to have government /dealers and car clubs to get together to agree a process to reuse cars for spares at least. Possibly a few restored for sale to charities hence raising funds and keeping history alive.
we all aware modern fuels such as diesel and petrol are to be phased out within 25 years or so. though claiming going green ?is not as simple as stated by many as the energy used to build a 'new' car are significant and do add to carbon footprint far more than keeping ready made used cars going!
Possible way forward. would be for tax (free?) advantages to encourage electric conversions or hybrid ? other fuels ? etc on existing vehicles.
Real shame historic vehicles are being traded in for new shiny cars but understandable.
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V8 Nutter



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read somewhere, the average car needs to survive at least 10 years, before it becomes carbon neutral as far as the manufacturing process is concerned. I can't help but wonder if this ten year rule applies to electric cars with all their special materials.
Here is something for our motor cycle riding members to think about. Some "Think Tank" has come up with the idea motor cycles should be banned. Apparently some local councils also think it is a good idea. The reason the "Think Tank" gives, is, if motor cycles were banned, the riders couldn't have accidents and lives would be saved.
On the subject of "Think Tanks", considering most of what they say is total rubbish, who sets them up and who pays for them
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