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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:55 pm    Post subject: Identification of old cars Reply with quote

Goodness me … what a wealth of information! Very many thanks to everyone who has contributed. Also, for the tips on using the forum. This is a composite response.

All noted about the census returns … I’ve accessed these in the past and will go back and try to home in on the Three Bridges connection.

I’ve found a link to the RR Enthusiasts Club and will follow this up. Am I right in supposing that RR cars have been kept going for longer than most … this because of their rarity and construction? The coupé survived until the 1970s at least and I presume it’s still on the road. I have its number as HC8815 … “Penman” commented on this … and I agree that “8815” does seem high for a pre-war car. I cannot now remember whether this number was given to me by my late uncle or by the owners when I traced them in the 1970s. Would it have been possible for a new owner to request an HC number from Eastbourne Borough Council in the 1970s? The larger Rolls had the number FXE17 … can someone tell me where this was registered? The owners started off in Eastbourne but later moved to near Tunbridge Wells. If that Rolls is still on the road, FXE17 will no doubt have been retained. If I can trace its present owners, I’ll have a lot to tell them about the life of their car in the 1930s.

Glad to have confirmation on the Delaunay Belleville… there was one on the road in Eastbourne in the 50s …. belonged to a chap called Tony Durban … seem to recall the passenger compartment had a lot of wood in its construction.

Interesting to read the comment about the coachwork of the Buick and how it may have been bought as a chassis. Unthinkable these days. My uncle did mention that a couple of ‘his’ Rolls had the bodies made by a coach builder. As chauffeur, he had to go up north to the coach builder to be measured. When did this practice go out, I wonder?

Regarding the Standard with Mr Peacock at the side. Now that I look carefully, I can make out a miniature Union Flag on the bonnet. I remember a lot of Standards in the 50s and 60s … they all had that emblem, but more often on two sides of a flute on the bonnet. Thanks for the other pic of a Standard … also the link. One of the images in that link shows an enlarged union flag. Nothing to do with the car itself, but I remember that Mr Peacock’s office, which was just behind where we lived, caught fire … this must have been during WW2 … but not due to enemy action. The fire brigade came and I remember him shouting out, “There’s petrol in there.” Guess it was illegal to store petrol in cans. But on a similar tack, I remember my uncle telling me that in the 1930s, petrol was delivered to the garage block in the grounds of the house of his employer. It came in gallon cans and was stored in a pit adjacent to the garages. Seems strange now … but perhaps this was common practice in those days. But it’s not as if the house was out in the sticks … it was in Eastbourne.

Lots of comments about the ambulance … thanks for re-posting on the GWF. So, was it case that commercial vehicles … smaller lorries and the like were commandeered for use as ambulances during WW1? Not sure whether my g/f was in the RAMC … but there’s another shot of him in uniform with a red cross armband. But no vehicle in that shot. I understand he was already working for the Megaw family before WW1 … the word was “they kept the job open for him”. Like his six brothers, he survived WW1 … but was killed by a German bomb in Eastbourne during WW2! Ironic. His full name was Donald Glendale Mackay but was always known as ‘Glen’.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:56 pm    Post subject: Identification of old cars Reply with quote

For some reason my post was repeated ... I got the message "failed to send" so I tried again. But it has appeared. I have deleted the first attempt.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:58 pm    Post subject: Identification of old cars Reply with quote

Goodness me … what a wealth of information! Very many thanks to everyone who has contributed. Also, for the tips on using the forum. This is a composite response.

All noted about the census returns … I’ve accessed these in the past and will go back and try to home in on the Three Bridges connection.

I’ve found a link to the RR Enthusiasts Club and will follow this up. Am I right in supposing that RR cars have been kept going for longer than most … this because of their rarity and construction? The coupé survived until the 1970s at least and I presume it’s still on the road. I have its number as HC8815 … “Penman” commented on this … and I agree that “8815” does seem high for a pre-war car. I cannot now remember whether this number was given to me by my late uncle or by the owners when I traced them in the 1970s. Would it have been possible for a new owner to request an HC number from Eastbourne Borough Council in the 1970s? The larger Rolls had the number FXE17 … can someone tell me where this was registered? The owners started off in Eastbourne but later moved to near Tunbridge Wells. If that Rolls is still on the road, FXE17 will no doubt have been retained. If I can trace its present owners, I’ll have a lot to tell them about the life of their car in the 1930s.

Glad to have confirmation on the Delaunay Belleville… there was one on the road in Eastbourne in the 50s …. belonged to a chap called Tony Durban … seem to recall the passenger compartment had a lot of wood in its construction.

Interesting to read the comment about the coachwork of the Buick and how it may have been bought as a chassis. Unthinkable these days. My uncle did mention that a couple of ‘his’ Rolls had the bodies made by a coach builder. As chauffeur, he had to go up north to the coach builder to be measured. When did this practice go out, I wonder?

Regarding the Standard with Mr Peacock at the side. Now that I look carefully, I can make out a miniature Union Flag on the bonnet. I remember a lot of Standards in the 50s and 60s … they all had that emblem, but more often on two sides of a flute on the bonnet. Thanks for the other pic of a Standard … also the link. One of the images in that link shows an enlarged union flag. Nothing to do with the car itself, but I remember that Mr Peacock’s office, which was just behind where we lived, caught fire … this must have been during WW2 … but not due to enemy action. The fire brigade came and I remember him shouting out, “There’s petrol in there.” Guess it was illegal to store petrol in cans. But on a similar tack, I remember my uncle telling me that in the 1930s, petrol was delivered to the garage block in the grounds of the house of his employer. It came in gallon cans and was stored in a pit adjacent to the garages. Seems strange now … but perhaps this was common practice in those days. But it’s not as if the house was out in the sticks … it was in Eastbourne.

Lots of comments about the ambulance … thanks for re-posting on the GWF. So, was it case that commercial vehicles … smaller lorries and the like were commandeered for use as ambulances during WW1? Not sure whether my g/f was in the RAMC … but there’s another shot of him in uniform with a red cross armband. But no vehicle in that shot. I understand he was already working for the Megaw family before WW1 … the word was “they kept the job open for him”. Like his six brothers, he survived WW1 … but was killed by a German bomb in Eastbourne during WW2! Ironic. His full name was Donald Glendale Mackay but was always known as ‘Glen’.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penman wrote:
Is that one of the header tanks with relatively shallow flutes moulded/cast?
I remember seeing one, presumably older, with the flutes that looked like the cooling fins on an air cooled motorcycle engine.


It doesn't appear to have the shoulder flutes at right angles to the main ones.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Identification of old cars Reply with quote

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Lots of comments about the ambulance … thanks for re-posting on the GWF. So, was it case that commercial vehicles … smaller lorries and the like were commandeered for use as ambulances during WW1? Not sure whether my g/f was in the RAMC … but there’s another shot of him in uniform with a red cross armband. But no vehicle in that shot. I understand he was already working for the Megaw family before WW1 … the word was “they kept the job open for him”. Like his six brothers, he survived WW1 … but was killed by a German bomb in Eastbourne during WW2! Ironic. His full name was Donald Glendale Mackay but was always known as ‘Glen’.


I think lots of buses were used as were lorries of all makes.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



This may well have been an American car but it looks much more elegant than the normal US bodies of the period. I think the body would have been created by a specialist coachbuilder.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peter scott wrote:

This may well have been an American car but it looks much more elegant than the normal US bodies of the period. I think the body would have been created by a specialist coachbuilder.

Peter


Most definitely a quality coachbuilder ... but which one? I have consulted my 'A-Z of British Coachbuilders' and can find nothing like it. It was a very spacious D back limousine so would need a big engine to pull it and the Buick would fit the bill. It may have been an imported chassis but interestingly, General Motors had a Buick assembly line at a large factory at Hyde, Hendon until 1931. The most popular coach builders for limousine bodies was Vanden Plas in Brussels. The chassis were shipped from London Docks and delivered as complete 7 seater limousines to Harwich, several at a time.
Many 7 seater Buicks were also built by 'Thrupp and Maberley' and 'Mayfair' coach builders.

I think the owner of these cars knew what he was buying. Interestingly, this 1930 Buick 40 is the last of the utterly reliable 6 cylinder models which, like the Standard, has overhead valves at a time when most cars had side valves.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:08 pm    Post subject: Identification of old card Reply with quote

Further to the comment about the owner knowing what he was buying, my g/f knew about cars and engines. I believe in the early days this would have been a requirement of a chauffeur and that they were required to carry out routine maintenance. Another of my uncles told me that Mr Megaw's son had a sports car of some kind ... my g/f advised him and did things to enhance its performance ... although he never drove it as part of his duties. In my first post, I mentioned the brother of my g/f. Unfortunately, I have very little information about him other than his wife (Annie, a Scot) was housekeeper or cook for the then Speaker of the House of Commons. But I don't think that her husband was chauffeur to the Speaker. If this had been the case, it would surely have been mentioned.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Identification of old card Reply with quote

Leather Seats wrote:

Unfortunately, I have very little information about him other than his wife (Annie, a Scot) was housekeeper or cook for the then Speaker of the House of Commons. But I don't think that her husband was chauffeur to the Speaker. If this had been the case, it would surely have been mentioned.


This is possibly irrelevant as it may be a different Speaker... but my Mother was well acquainted with the then MP for Woking; Cranley Onslow when they attempted to save the historic Inkerman Barracks from demolition. Unfortunately they were unsuccessful. His family were historically Speakers of the House and the Onslow ancestral home was Clandon Park which suffered a disastrous fire in 2015. I was personally distraught as I knew the National Trust House well.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Identification of old cars Reply with quote

Leather Seats wrote:
The larger Rolls had the number FXE17 … can someone tell me where this was registered?


FX is a Dorset area registration ...although the licensing office would have been in Bournouth.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:08 am    Post subject: Re: Identification of old cars Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
Leather Seats wrote:
The larger Rolls had the number FXE17 … can someone tell me where this was registered?


FX is a Dorset area registration ...although the licensing office would have been in Bournouth.


Sorry Ray,

You are getting confused.

XE was a Luton registration September 1920 to January 1921.

and so am I.

FXE 17 would have been Luton April 1939.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:31 am    Post subject: Re: Identification of old cars Reply with quote

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Sorry Ray,

You are getting confused.

Peter Embarassed


Nothing new there, then. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Identification of old cars Reply with quote

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Lots of comments about the ambulance … thanks for re-posting on the GWF. So, was it case that commercial vehicles … smaller lorries and the like were commandeered for use as ambulances during WW1? Not sure whether my g/f was in the RAMC … but there’s another shot of him in uniform with a red cross armband. But no vehicle in that shot. I understand he was already working for the Megaw family before WW1 … the word was “they kept the job open for him”. Like his six brothers, he survived WW1 … but was killed by a German bomb in Eastbourne during WW2! Ironic. His full name was Donald Glendale Mackay but was always known as ‘Glen’.


It's worth keeping an eye on the GWF thread. I see a few more interesting posts since I last looked. https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/302862-can-anyone-identify-this-vehicle/

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Identification of old cars Reply with quote

Leather Seats wrote:

I understand he was already working for the Megaw family before WW1 … the word was “they kept the job open for him”. Like his six brothers, he survived WW1 … but was killed by a German bomb in Eastbourne during WW2! Ironic. His full name was Donald Glendale Mackay but was always known as ‘Glen’.


Do you know where in Eastbourne he was killed?

My reason for asking is the architecture in Matlock Road is much changed from when the "Standard" photo was taken and it occurred to me that perhaps there had been extensive bomb damage.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it has changed much because the photo was taken in Derwent Road rather than Matlock Road. Looking at the age of the buildings I don't think either road has changed much. That said the building further down Derwent Road looks of newer construction than the one in the Standard photo.

https://goo.gl/maps/y68dgBgGFDzuq3ER8

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