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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:07 pm    Post subject: Vanguard Phase 2 Estate Reply with quote

This popped up on the Old British Car Club FB page.
https://scontent.fbrs1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/326812983_1136490363690729_1698086687297634152_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg_p960x960&_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=WDpo16C07r4AX95kQDl&_nc_ht=scontent.fbrs1-2.fna&oh=00_AfADF1BWsr4-7Gu1Rv95HH49Q-HSQrQ3_gTcDo89hY_hsQ&oe=63EB2AC2

The pics are sometimes older ones but DVLA shows it as still on the register.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw that and gave it a like.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:58 am    Post subject: Vanguard Reply with quote

Pretty ugly I thought. Does not look very original with only two doors and that terrible woodwork.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it was originally a van.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a few photos of it around online, here's a rear view



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am inclined to agree with the view that it started out as a van. The Vanguard estates that I have seen and are illustrated online all have four doors. I haven't seen a picture of a 'woody'
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some further information:

https://www.wheels-alive.co.uk/standards-vanguard-story/
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

norustplease wrote:
I am inclined to agree with the view that it started out as a van. The Vanguard estates that I have seen and are illustrated online all have four doors. I haven't seen a picture of a 'woody'


Or possibly one of these?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The two door version was the van which was a popular basis for a cheap conversion.

Was there once a road tax advantage to having a van?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the UK it was purchase tax advantage if you kept it as a van for a certaain length of time then you could fit windows and rea seats without having to pay the additional tax.
Purchase tax varied at different time and with different car values between 33.3% and 66.6%.

https://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/a30van.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penman wrote:
In the UK it was purchase tax advantage if you kept it as a van for a certaain length of time then you could fit windows and rea seats without having to pay the additional tax.
Purchase tax varied at different time and with different car values between 33.3% and 66.6%.

https://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/a30van.htm


My wife remembers her Father doing this with an Austin A40 Devon van.

( I am not sure but I have a faint memory of BMC producing their own 'Passenger Van' ...but I can't be certain.)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:32 am    Post subject: A40 Reply with quote

Ray, I think it was a Countryman
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I owned a 1959 Commer van in 1966/67. It had the same body shape as the earlier Hillman Minx station wagon, (estate car?) so I visited a local wrecker and bought and fitted windows and rear seats from a 1953/4 Minx wagon. A friend worked in the UK customs and he checked out the purchase tax I would need to pay. Luckily, they decided that as the cost was less than ten quid, it was waived.

Very nice car that was. The very last car I owned in the UK before heading to the colonies.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
Penman wrote:
In the UK it was purchase tax advantage if you kept it as a van for a certaain length of time then you could fit windows and rea seats without having to pay the additional tax.
Purchase tax varied at different time and with different car values between 33.3% and 66.6%.

https://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/a30van.htm


My wife remembers her Father doing this with an Austin A40 Devon van.

( I am not sure but I have a faint memory of BMC producing their own 'Passenger Van' ...but I can't be certain.)



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a nice picture that is, Peter!

I wonder if that is a factory offering or a conversion? Certainly an attractive option for travelling..

I don't think the Countryman had wood like that.

I showed the photo to Jean and she seemed to think it was like that.
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