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Rootes75
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Ray White
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I like it. I remember reading that when Rootes took over, the 4 litre carried on being hand built in the traditional way. It would have been an up market car in it's day ...and may well have a surprising turn of speed. 
Very nice.
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Rootes75
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I don't think the car sold, I have seen it since advertised at £11.5k.
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Rootes75
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Ray White
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| Try and find another one in that condition. IF it had been available when I sold the Dodge I would have bought it. No problem. |
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Ray White
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I spy a Dauphine in the background too ...
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I would only consider one of those cars if it was post 1960 with the revised suspension. Earlier models had a reputation for loosing control on bends. |
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badhuis
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| Ray White wrote: | | Rick wrote: |
I spy a Dauphine in the background too ...
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I would only consider one of those cars if it was post 1960 with the revised suspension. Earlier models had a reputation for loosing control on bends. |
How often would that happen. I think the situation may be well different with modern (radial) tyres.
The Herald / early Spitfires have a flawed rear suspension which will only present itself in extreme cases. It would not (and did not) put me off buying a car with that less than perfect rear suspension.
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badhuis
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Would you also rule out a Riley Pathfinder then Ray?
Lovely cars, but also with a flawed rear suspension.
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| badhuis wrote: | | Ray White wrote: | | Rick wrote: |
I spy a Dauphine in the background too ...
RJ |
I would only consider one of those cars if it was post 1960 with the revised suspension. Earlier models had a reputation for loosing control on bends. |
How often would that happen. I think the situation may be well different with modern (radial) tyres.
The Herald / early Spitfires have a flawed rear suspension which will only present itself in extreme cases. It would not (and did not) put me off buying a car with that less than perfect rear suspension. |
I cut my teeth with wayward early Spitfires so it wouldn't worry me much either to be honest. A Gordini Dauphine would be very welcome here!
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Ray White
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Those early Dauphines were always rolling over...and you didn't need to be going fast either. The reason Renault redesigned the suspension was because they were becoming a joke! No joke if you were in one I imagine.
The Pathfinder suffered from the most dreadful understeer and gained the nickname "Ditch finder".
Again, the later cars benefited from rear suspension redesign; in that case getting semi elliptic rear springs ...but by then the cars had got a bad reputation. These days, I imagine modern radial tyres would help a bit.
As a matter of little interest, my Dad was great mates with the Pathfinder designer Gerald Palmer - and because he was so famous, he could do no wrong!  |
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Penman
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Back in the days before a mixed tyre arrangement became illegal, we had a Vauxhall 6cyl with the big hydraulic front suspension system. On cross plies it had a tendency to wallow down the road and understeer, but we stuck a pair of radials on the front only and although it didn't stop the soft ride bounce, it changed the steering completely, it didn't oversteer but if you put it into a corner you could actually let go of the wheel and it just stayed on the same lock; obviously this meant that you hadf to bring the wheel back to straight manually it just wouldn't self centre.
When they changed the law I was one of the few people who understood why.
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ukdave2002
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| Penman wrote: | Back in the days before a mixed tyre arrangement became illegal, we had a Vauxhall 6cyl with the big hydraulic front suspension system. On cross plies it had a tendency to wallow down the road and understeer, but we stuck a pair of radials on the front only and although it didn't stop the soft ride bounce, it changed the steering completely, it didn't oversteer but if you put it into a corner you could actually let go of the wheel and it just stayed on the same lock; obviously this meant that you hadf to bring the wheel back to straight manually it just wouldn't self centre.
When they changed the law I was one of the few people who understood why. |
as far as I’m aware it’s on illegal to mix tyre types on the same axle? |
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Penman
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It's illegal to have radials on the front and cross plys on the rear.
https://tinyurl.com/Tyre-Mix
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