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badhuis



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The issue, I am not saying problem, with the Marina was that it was just a mediocre car. Nothing, really nothing special. That was fine for most people, and still is fine today for most people. It did what it had to do, not much more.
But for car lovers, and we all are on this site to a certain extent, it does not have much interest. Saying that it was reliable does not help, again that is fine for most people but does not enhance its attraction for car lovers.

Styling was not very remarkable, too common. Maybe the 2 door coupe is liked by some people but that alone is not enough to make it a car one really would want. Technical is was old fashioned. Etcetera.

Still there are many people that do love mediocre cars like the Marina or here in the Netherlands, cars like the Opel B Kadett. I genuinely have some trouble understanding why anyone can be enthusiastic about cars like that.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say I was enthusiastic about the Marina; although when it was new and shiny and I was given it as my first Company Car (ostensibly as a reward for outstanding sales results) I was delighted. It meant I didn't have to use my own car - the Austin A55) - for work.

Absolutely right; there was nothing special about the Marina; it was a 1.3 saloon in grotty green with horrible brown plastic interior and didn't do anything particularly well... but it was a presentable enough workhorse - and more to the point I didn't have to pay for it!

It wasn't until I was given my wine red Lancia with incredible 'herringbone' interior that I realised what was meant by a "driver's car". My eyes were opened!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe the Marina was supposed to be an attempt to compete in the Rep-mobile market.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penman wrote:
I believe the Marina was supposed to be an attempt to compete in the Rep-mobile market.


You are probably right. The Marina seemed to be pitched between the Ford Escort and the Cortina and fell in between two stools.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
Penman wrote:
I believe the Marina was supposed to be an attempt to compete in the Rep-mobile market.


You are probably right. The Marina seemed to be pitched between the Ford Escort and the Cortina and fell in between two stools.

I remember at school, one lads dad had a Marina TC, we were all very impressed, although we had not a clue what TC actually meant!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't remember if they actually produced a Marina L model, but we used to joke that along with the Cortina L and the Granada L they were all special editions for the Bristol market.
If you don't follow the joke you haven't heard about the intrusive final L that Bristolians put on words ending with a vowel.
It is said that the original port of Brigstowe became Bristol because of the intrusive L.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penman wrote:
I can't remember if they actually produced a Marina L model, but we used to joke that along with the Cortina L and the Granada L they were all special editions for the Bristol market.
If you don't follow the joke you haven't heard about the intrusive final L that Bristolians put on words ending with a vowel.
It is said that the original port of Brigstowe became Bristol because of the intrusive L.


Ha! I didn't know that!

I thought the Marina was designed for tight fisted bosses who begrudged giving their employees a car at all!!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:

I remember at school, one lads dad had a Marina TC, we were all very impressed, although we had not a clue what TC actually meant!


I always wanted a TC but my Boss was worried about petrol consumption; so a 1300 it was. A mate of mine (working for the opposition!) had a TC with an 1800 engine. It was a pretty quick car. In fact it was outright dangerous! Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had one of the first Marina 2-doors ( would not in any way describe it as a coupé) as a company car. On day 2 I ran it into the back of a lorry, purely because he had far better brakes than I. Drums from the Moggie Minor, and no servo, my employer refusing to fit a servo on cost grounds - £40. It was the most terrible car frankly. Creaks and groans, vinyl seats, handling like a boat, and not one thing to recommend it. It was a dark non-metallic blue. Several years later I was issued with the "upgraded" version, you know, the one where the curved dashboard faced more the passenger than the driver, where the creaks and groans had been modified to increase the intensity of annoyance for the driver, in a colour that was colloquially known as puke beige (I think officially as harvest beige) and where the radio faced the passenger. There was not one thing I can think of that was pleasurable - in fact so much so that my fox terrier took an intense delight in eating the seats. Naturally, the wipers were, in both versions, designed for export and left a swathe of the screen unswept on the driver's side. I rest my case, m'lud.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To say my Boss was mean was an understatement; he was as tight as a Duck's ar@e...and that's water tight.! When it came to replacing the Marina he tried to palm me off with a used Fiat Panda!

He gave the Marina - complete with see through rear wings - to his son...who did the right thing and wrote it off on the first outing!!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've come to the conclusion that I have a very low expectation when it comes to cars!

I had a 1.8 Marina as a company car towards the end of the 1970s, and it was replaced by a 1.6 Cortina Mk4. Apart from the looks, the Marina won hands down in every respect - it was better built and more reliable, faster with much better handling and generally a much more pleasant car to travel in. Did I have a particularly good Marna and/or an dreadful Cortina? Probably both, but today I would certainly consider a Marina but wouldn't give the Cortina a second chance.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikeC wrote:
I've come to the conclusion that I have a very low expectation when it comes to cars!

I had a 1.8 Marina as a company car towards the end of the 1970s, and it was replaced by a 1.6 Cortina Mk4. Apart from the looks, the Marina won hands down in every respect - it was better built and more reliable, faster with much better handling and generally a much more pleasant car to travel in. Did I have a particularly good Marna and/or an dreadful Cortina? Probably both, but today I would certainly consider a Marina but wouldn't give the Cortina a second chance.


That's interesting because I remember the Cortina MK4 as being the "must have" car at the time. I particularly liked the 6 cylinder "Crusader". A Ghia model I think it was that impressed me. My Boss dismissed it as being a "gas guzzler". Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see the Minor finished at £1201 (no reserve auction) which looks like a decent buy for someone.

I much prefer the early Series 2 to the previous "highlight" MM - I had a '52 MM which someone had installed a later 1098cc A Series into. The conversion I didn't mind, but it was always hampered by the low gearing of the original MM rear axle I found, so an early S2 (early dash, cheesegrater grille) would be my favourite era of saloon I think.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2023 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick wrote:
I see the Minor finished at £1201 (no reserve auction) which looks like a decent buy for someone.

I much prefer the early Series 2 to the previous "highlight" MM - I had a '52 MM which someone had installed a later 1098cc A Series into. The conversion I didn't mind, but it was always hampered by the low gearing of the original MM rear axle I found, so an early S2 (early dash, cheesegrater grille) would be my favourite era of saloon I think.

RJ


Just to clarify your point Rick. Do you prefer the highlight to the older lowlight MM? or are you just referring to the engine.

I am still not sure how this one should be tackled. It is right on the cusp. It would be nice to keep it original but the rust needs looking at ...and once you start restoring where do you stop? As we keep saying, a car is only original once.

As it happens I noticed that someone has replaced and painted the n/s rear wing (but not finished the job) so a start has already be made.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somewhat surprised the A-series engine fitted in a Series MM Minor. One of the alterations from the MM to the Series 2 was to the cross-brace on the bulkhead, which was flatter/straighter on the MM, but needed to be replaced by a curved version for the Series 2 and later cars so it crossed above the taller OHV 803cc and later A-series (948cc/1098cc) engines.
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