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Ray White
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 Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:00 am Post subject: Tres bon! |
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https://www.carandclassic.com/auctions/1935-hotchkiss-617-cabourg-gzZAbg
You don't see one of these very often; RHD too!
An absolutely superb restoration (from what I can see) and not overdone. It just looks "right".
I would be tempted... but not just now.
My only worry would be getting spares.
Obviously it can only be worth what someone wants to pay ...and for that we must wait and see. |
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MikeEdwards
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Tres bon! |
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| Ray White wrote: | [url=https://postimg.cc/4nR6f9mc]
You don't see one of these very often; RHD too!
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Isn't it from a period where the French drove on the proper side of the road, so RHD would be more common, or did you put that because you know that most of them are LHD?
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Ray White
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Tres bon! |
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| MikeEdwards wrote: | | Ray White wrote: | [url=https://postimg.cc/4nR6f9mc]
You don't see one of these very often; RHD too!
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Isn't it from a period where the French drove on the proper side of the road, so RHD would be more common, or did you put that because you know that most of them are LHD? |
I think you need to go much further back in time to find French cars with RHD. The Germans, on the other hand, were slower to adopt driving on the right; the practice not becoming common place there until after 1922.
I expect the Hotchkiss was an export order but there seems to be little in the way of history.
As an aside; I wonder if the dash is real wood... or wood effect paint on steel? |
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MikeEdwards
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Tres bon! |
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| Ray White wrote: | I think you need to go much further back in time to find French cars with RHD. The Germans, on the other hand, were slower to adopt driving on the right; the practice not becoming common place there until after 1922.
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Ah yes, good point - I knew they used to, but hadn't realised when they stopped.
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Crashbox
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Many 'sporting' marques, especially French ones, built mostly RHD cars before WW2. A case in point is Bugatti, where a LHD car is a real rarity. One reason is supposedly due to race tracks being clockwise and having mostly righthand apexes. French manufactures weren't the only one either, with Alfas, Lancias, and Ferraris being almost exclusively RHD well into the 1950s. With 'luxury' marques it was more to do with chauffeurs being able to alight from the driver's seat to open the curb-side rear door without having to walk around the car.
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Ray White
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It looks like I have egg on my face....not for the first time.
All the advertising for Hotchkiss feature RHD cars. Perhaps it had something to do with being run by a Brit; Henry Ainsworth.
,,,but surely this is all part of the fun; finding out about rare marques and their various peculiarities.  |
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peter scott
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Rootes75
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It is a very pleasant looking motor car.
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Ray White
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I couldn't be sure because hydraulic brakes were fitted to some cars in 1935/36. Somewhat surprisingly thereafter - for some reason - the Company reverted to cable operated brakes.!  |
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Ray White
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| Rick wrote: | I was tempted by a dusty one of these last year, I think it was for sale up in Scotland (might be wrong).
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Were you a bit nervous about spares? I think I would be. |
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Crashbox
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Old Henry Ford didn't trust hydraulic brake systems, he sold his cars with the tag-line 'The safety of steel from pedal to wheel.' 
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Ray White
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| Yes. I think tyre adhesion is what matters. If the wheels lock up on a dry surface then that is about the best one can hope for. How you get to that point is almost immaterial. |
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bjacko
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:30 am Post subject: RH Drive |
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I was always under the impression the French were the first to go to Left hand drive after the central position was over in the early 1900's.
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Ray White
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:08 am Post subject: Re: RH Drive |
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| bjacko wrote: | | I was always under the impression the French were the first to go to Left hand drive after the central position was over in the early 1900's. |
From 1909 as it happens... but in typical French fashion there were some makers who didn't comply. |
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