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Norseman



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:07 am    Post subject: Stats. Reply with quote

Any opinions regarding the accuracy of the web site 'how many left' ?

I browsed my late 'nineties BMW model & the figures for both licenced & sorned were Zero for the last quarter of 2024.
I've owned mine for over 5 years, always licenced & I'm sure there are others.
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Crashbox



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's partly down to how the original dealer registered the car and how the DVLA transcribed that to their system. As there are many variables then I'd say it's not accurate at all. Try expanding the search using other terms that might have been used at the time of registering the vehicle when new.
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Rootes75



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2025 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its funny you say that, but only last night i was reading the latest issue of our Military vehicles magazine and they are encouraging owners to fill in a survey with the hope of compiling a register of surviving military vehicle types.

Its all anonymous so I'm going to fill it in. It will be good to see how many MV owners come forward.
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Norseman



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2025 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rootes75 wrote:
Its funny you say that, but only last night i was reading the latest issue of our Military vehicles magazine and they are encouraging owners to fill in a survey with the hope of compiling a register of surviving military vehicle types.
Its all anonymous so I'm going to fill it in. It will be good to see how many MV owners come forward.


Yes please do. I am a ex military enthusiast currently sans a vehicle but still a member of an active group. I have owned 3 WW2 US trucks in the past but that era ended with the sale of the last in 2005. I had hoped to own another in my dotage, but although there's plenty for sale everything is just so expensive.
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mikeC



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Stats. Reply with quote

Norseman wrote:
Any opinions regarding the accuracy of the web site 'how many left' ?

I browsed my late 'nineties BMW model & the figures for both licenced & sorned were Zero for the last quarter of 2024.
I've owned mine for over 5 years, always licenced & I'm sure there are others.


My experience is 'not very accurate', but that's not the fault of HML, it's down to the accuracy (or lack) of the DVLA records.

For example, an Austin Seven can be recorded under 'make' as Austin, Austin 7, Austin Seven, Austin Ruby, Austin Sports, Austin 8 (because they were originally taxed as an 8hp), etc. There is literally no way of establishing an accurate number. Other cars may not be so complicated, but similar errors can still occur.
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Vintage Fly Guy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2025 10:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Stats. Reply with quote

mikeC wrote:
Norseman wrote:
Any opinions regarding the accuracy of the web site 'how many left' ?

I browsed my late 'nineties BMW model & the figures for both licenced & sorned were Zero for the last quarter of 2024.
I've owned mine for over 5 years, always licenced & I'm sure there are others.


My experience is 'not very accurate', but that's not the fault of HML, it's down to the accuracy (or lack) of the DVLA records.

For example, an Austin Seven can be recorded under 'make' as Austin, Austin 7, Austin Seven, Austin Ruby, Austin Sports, Austin 8 (because they were originally taxed as an 8hp), etc. There is literally no way of establishing an accurate number. Other cars may not be so complicated, but similar errors can still occur.


It's a similar story with the Mk1 Range Rover, which, in the last 10 or so years of production could have been registered as a Range Rover; Range Rover Vogue; Range Rover Vogue A; Range Rover Vogue SE; Range Rover Vogue SE A, etc. (The 'A' referring to automatic transmission, assuming the original seller/main dealer registered the vehicle with the correct amount of detail). Add the diesel engined variants (both factory fitted and those retro-fit engine swaps that were subsequently declared to the DVLA/DVLC) to this and you've an even bigger dog's dinner of registered variants to try to pick the bones out of.

So how many 'classic' Range Rovers are there left on the road? The short answer is, I haven't got a clue just by looking at the HML website!

I actually find the graphs on HML that show how many of each type were on the road or SORNed per year more interesting, as it offers some insight into how many vehicles have been scrapped (or otherwise lost) over the last decade or two, how many have been SORNed, etc. It's usually a pretty startling decline in numbers once a model of vehicle gets to a certain age, and some last longer than others!

So I think looking at the general 'trend' over the last 10 or so years will probably be more useful and accurate than trying to assess absolute numbers for surviving vehicles.
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bjacko



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 6:47 am    Post subject: Statistics Reply with quote

Like I always say "statistics are like a bikini, they reveal a lot but cover up the vital points"
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