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Riley Blue



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The slots round the grille are reminiscent of Alfa Romeo, as is its long bonnet, I wonder if it's an accident damaged car rebodied on a budget using whatever panels were to hand in the early 1950s?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like a butchered 1937 Delahaye 145 Chapron Coupe.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Along with the Invicta photos (published today) came the following snap, does anyone recognise the car?



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be just about anything, but going by the slats on the petrol tank, I'll take a guess at some sort of Daimler.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree; the wooden protective slats over the petrol tank are probably the best clue we have that this is a Daimler - and one with interesting coachwork with canework finish.

Apart from the wheels, I am inclined, however, to think more Argyle due to the front door treatment (and also National Trust forScotland connection).

I think the description would be an open drive landaulette with the top up. Presumably the location is somewhere in Scotland?



There are one or two interesting things in the photo. I note the speaking tube fitted to the glass division. On the windscreen frame is a bulb horn with a long thin trumpet which has an odd looking disc at the end.

There is also a screen mounted light (with attached tube) that seems to be pointing upwards.?

The Chauffeur looks happy with his lot - not often seen in these cars which leave him open to the elements but in this case the windscreen is open (presumably because of warm weather).

To the rear it looks like a fold down table of some kind is supported by a teather.

I think the photo well symbolises the class divide that was so much part of life in the past.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the photo well symbolises the class divide that was so much part of life in the past.

In the current climate, it might become a thing of the future, too?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Alastair. I have added a photo of an Argyle (above). This one is a limousine - but the driver's door in the photo is seemingly set into the panel similar to the passenger door of the blue car. There is one other thing. Upper Class Daimlers tended to have a higher waistline for the rear passenger area as compared to the driver's compartment.. thus further emphasising status... . something that may not have featured on the Argyle.

Mick's point about the petrol tank slats is valid, however, and I have yet to see the rear view of an Argyle of a similar date to ascertain if they were similarly treated.

Here is a 25/50hp Argyle limo from that era. It would have cost 825 complete - which in those days would have been a vast price.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what it is that the ladies are holding and what is on top of the toolbox. Looking at the shadow (centre/front) on the ground the photo may have been taken by someone wearing a similar hat to the two ladies.

Quote Ray "There are one or two interesting things in the photo. I note the speaking tube fitted to the glass division. On the windscreen frame is a bulb horn with a long thin trumpet which has an odd looking disc at the end." End Quote'

I think it is a cover to keep out bugs/water/dirt. There is feint view of possibly a cord that keeps it attached to the horn. I would assume that the long narrow trumpet has less cubic capacity than the bulb and squeezing the bulb would compress the air enough to blow off the cover.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My maternal grandfather , owned a Morris Cowley bullnose pre-WW2...with a dickey seat [for the kids]...
He had[according to related family tales] a 'cuckoo' horn, as well as the normal tooter....
This, apparently, would be used when turning behind the traffic policeman's back, as he passed....

The kids [3 sisters] would also be tasked, on family holiday jourines, with keeping an eye on the ancient trailer he towed, which had the camping stuff inside.
Apparently, whilst going through Tewkesbury, they got distracted..and failed to notice that, on taking the fork in the middle of the main street, the trailer parted company, and disappeared off down the other road.....followed by an irate Contable on a push bike.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter_L wrote:
I wonder what it is that the ladies are holding and what is on top of the toolbox. Looking at the shadow (centre/front) on the ground the photo may have been taken by someone wearing a similar hat to the two ladies.



I think, by the look of them, the ladies are sisters. That aside, the one on the left seems to be cradling a bid of some kind in both hands; a grouse perhaps?

The lady on the right seems to have the remains of a feathered something or other; maybe another grouse.. hanging by a string from her wrist... but what she is holding in her gloved hand I can't make out.

As to what is in the cloth on the toolbox I have no idea.

Looking again at the light pointing upwards.... perhaps it would resume a normal position when the windscreen was closed?

The photo is from the Isle of Canna collection (courtesy of the National Trust for Scotland) so I wondered if this could be the location? Where else?


Stretching the imagination maybe... but I see a family resemblance between the two ladies with the car and Margaret Fay Shaw; wife of John Lorne Campbell who gave Canna to the NT. She is best remembered for her impressive photographic collection.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The upturned light on the windscreen frame is on a swivel-mount, as it has a mirror on the back face; so it would be adjusted as a mirror when driving, but could be moved to illuminated a road sign, for example, when used as a lamp.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikeC wrote:
The upturned light on the windscreen frame is on a swivel-mount, as it has a mirror on the back face; so it would be adjusted as a mirror when driving, but could be moved to illuminated a road sign, for example, when used as a lamp.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do we known the approximate year of the car ?

Re John Lorne Campbell. Quote Edinburgh Museum and Libraries. " In 1935 he married the American musician Margaret Fay Shaw, whom he met on the island of South Uist. In 1938 the couple bought the island of Canna, south of Skye, and went to live there in Canna House. He farmed the island for 40 years and made it a sanctuary for wildlife." End Quote

Margaret Fay Shaw was first arrived in Scotland about 1925. She would have been about 22.

May I suggest that if the photo is in anyway connected to Canna Island, then it is with the Thom family who were wealthy shipbuilders and sold the island to Campbell in 1938.

This link gives information about the link between the Invicta motor car and Canna.
https://www.nts.org.uk/stories/gullivers-travels-the-le-mans-connection?fbclid=IwAR2AUzpUmwwTN11aCubQpVjy0iadDcs7DnTfsW_GMjXBT19uu-Es8ssce70
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would date the car around 1912-14, but it doesn't look brand new, so the photo may have been taken in the early 1920s.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Traveling with some mates from Adamooka to Coober Pedy at night we also lost the trailer . Some kms. back we found it and fixed it on with some fencing wire . The hitch in those days was a simple screw down and a locking pin that looked like a nail !!
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