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David Kipling
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 Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:49 am Post subject: I've tried every British car and cannot identify this rad |
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 I have searched and racked my brains. The frustrating thing is that the outline of the [missing or corroded over] badge is very familiar, but I cannot place it!
The radiator and badge were on a 1960's British stock-car "wearing" what I assume is a 1930's body.
On my website: http://oldstox.com/images/Farndon%20Brafield%20Pits.jpg
Please, anyone? I'd be very grateful.  |
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mikeC
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Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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The radiator grille looks like a Triumph 1800/2000/Renown, but that would have had a circular badge. The outline of the badge in your picture looks more like a Hillman badge...
Could it be a late 1930s Talbot? It looks too small for a Ten, and too upright for a 3 litre...
edit: I reckon it's probably a 1939 Sunbeam Talbot 2-litre  |
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JohnDale
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The badge looks like Austin Princess/Sheerline with the hole for the radiator cap & the Flying A. The sun visor is not original to that car but of sixties vintage possibly Ford Zephyr/Zodiac. Cheers,JD.
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Penman
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Hi
Badge resource here.
http://hem.passagen.se/diecast43/
Definitely looks like the Sunbeam Talbot
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mid
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Location: Northampton
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| Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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the shape's not right for the Sunbeam and there isn't the pointy bit coming from the filler hole.
my first thoughts were SS jag, and it looks very similar to the SS2 but these were a lot more ornate than this one.
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David Kipling
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| Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| mikeC wrote: | The radiator grille looks like a Triumph 1800/2000/Renown, but that would have had a circular badge. The outline of the badge in your picture looks more like a Hillman badge...
Could it be a late 1930s Talbot? It looks too small for a Ten, and too upright for a 3 litre...
edit: I reckon it's probably a 1939 Sunbeam Talbot 2-litre |
Thank you; the 1939 Talbot is very very close; but the position of that badge and the join between the rad top and the central vertical bar is not quite it. But I will hunt among more Talbots right now
BTW, I am very impressed by the prompt and detailed replies to my query! |
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emmerson
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| Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Surely that's a 1930s Standard 14? |
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David Kipling
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| Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| emmerson wrote: | | Surely that's a 1930s Standard 14? |
Thank you for the clue! I googled the Standard thoroughly, and although most of their grilles were very distinctively curved compared to the one I posted, here's the Standard Flying Twenty, which seems to be it, on a VERY detailed Standard site:
http://www.simoncars.co.uk/standard/flying.html
Thank you all; I think this has nailed it. Very much appreciated.
If anyone's interested, and can bear the sight of some older cars' adaptation, I have over a thousand photographs of British stock cars raced between 1955 and 1975, in the era before professionals started building relatively high-tech custom stock-cars: www.oldstox.com |
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mid
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| Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| But...... the flying 20 doesnt have a visible radiator cap? |
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David Kipling
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| Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| mid wrote: | | But...... the flying 20 doesnt have a visible radiator cap? |
Ouch, you are right; on the same Simon site, I find two Standard 12's of 1934-1936.
http://www.simoncars.co.uk/standard/s1930.html
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peter scott
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I think Mike C is on the right lines with a Talbot.
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David Kipling
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| peter scott wrote: | I think Mike C is on the right lines with a Talbot.
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To me, the stock-car badge wings seem lower and sharper/longer than on the Talbot, and the extinct badge seems to continue down wards. I agree, this is a tough one. The stock car grille has a single central "pillar" and the upper shroud casting seems to curve down to the central pillar; the Talbot has paired verticals in the centre, and a butt joint with the top casting.
http://oldstox.com/images/Farndon%20Brafield%20Pits.jpg
I may have to be content to label my old photo "either Standard or Talbot" |
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mid
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David Kipling
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I am going to settle for the Standard Ten, with a 'possible' addendum for the Nine. It seems confirmed by that flickr slide show and elsewhere: http://www.philseed.com/images/scrap-grille%20standard10-cu-bw_.jpg
as the shell seems to have that slight "vee" rake. It's amazing how Standard took the trouble to create different rad shell patterns for minor model changes. I'd fancied the SS Swallow, but that has a tiny raised 'bead' around the top. I hope I don't sound boring when I repeat that I really appreciate the care and attention that members of this forum take, especially with 'newbie' non-experts; and no insults or flaming, either: A rare treat!
Oh, and I will pass on the info to the son of that stock car racer, the late Sid Farndon, who raced speedway bikes and then stock cars and promoted at Tamworth Stadium. He and his rivals during stock car racing's golden age 1955-1975 can be seen on my website www.oldstox.com; but remember that some currently-treasured classics were, 50 years ago, just old clunkers in the scrapyard, so please forgive those rough and tumble racers  |
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