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Which Cars do you think Face Extintion?
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peter scott



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:47 am    Post subject: Which Cars do you think Face Extintion? Reply with quote

What prompted me was that from time to time I have been walking past a house outside of which was until recently an absolutely immaculate MkI Mondeo.

Years past and regardless of muddy winter conditions it always looked immaculate. Then more recently it had suffered some minor impact damage to a rear door and regular washing appeared to cease. Next it was parked off road ( I assume MOT or tax had run out) and now it has gone.

Despite being one of the most common cars on the road 10 to 15 years ago I very rarely see any and certainly not immaculate ones.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Mondeo will probably suffer the same fate as the Sierra because they were used as taxis. Will the Octavia disappear in a few years time.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trying to think of cars that have actually disappeared is pretty difficult I feel. I regularly see an immaculate Marina when I am in the UK for example and there is an Allegro club. Early Cavaliers I haven't seen for some time, but the marque that has just about disappeared off of the face of the earth is Humber, although why I just don't know. It was equivalent to a Rover in its day, but Rovers thrive. Again, while Mk 1 Golfs exist I have not seen a Jetta equivalent in probably 20 years.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lada Riva or Skoda Estelle
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

all the Ladas were shipped back to Russia our's was

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Austin Maestro, Mitsubishi Carisma, Renault 19, the list of future fridges made from the past could be huge, the scrappage scheme saw off so many.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully many bland BMC saloon cars designed in the 50's, 60's & 70's Mini excepted!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we allow that current "old cars" as we currently accept them (including the gorgeous 1960's BMC cars Very Happy ) are about as extinct they're going to get; ie no longer being gratuitously scrapped as old bangers, then we are really looking at the falling numbers of late '80's cars omwards. I suspect that many will become classics in their turn as old classics became so. Numbers drop off as the rubbish is disposed off until there is the usual small core of "decent" survivors.

I'd be more concerned about cars from the mid '90's onwards. Anything sold as a cheap car has very little chance of long term survival. They are already the motoring equivalents of white goods.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once the ECU costs more to replace than the cars value, it's on it's way to China to return as a washing machine.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the complicated electronics and so many other model unique parts from lights to engines components fitted on cars from mid 80's will be the end of them. They started being unreliable early on yet most cars electrics (and even mechanics) were similar (J Lucas Prince of Darkness) till mid 80's were basically the same as those from mid 1930's apart from transistorized radios/alternators which started appearing from mid-60's on luxury cars. Said transistors etc have/are degrading but can be easily replaced from stock items but not say an ECU fitted to our 1986 Rover 820 SE which failed in just under 4 years in 1991 and which then cost a small fortune to replace. That was enough for me to turn my back on moderns for ever - our newest car being a late 1972 Rover P5B and oldest a 1938 Rover P2 16. Both have simple electrics and evEn common parts!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we are being asked about which cars face extinction, I am minded to suggest the Lancia Beta. The stylish spyder may be able to survive but what hope is there for the ill fated saloon?
I once had one as a company car but it's 1600 cc FIAT engine proved troublesome - a cracked block in my case - but it was the rust that had most of them on the scrap heap within a short time.

The problem was so severe that the British Government banned their import. What is less well know is that the last of these had greatly improved. Whether a better quality steel was used or the improved rust protection that my car had was the reason but after I had had a good few years use out of it, there was no sign of rust anywhere. The damage to Lancia's reputation had by then been done and used car values were at best in the hundreds rather than thousands of pounds.

If any Betas survive they must be few in number.
Just for a laugh, a garage near me had a Lancia spyder on the forecourt. It was rusty beyond belief but caused a lot of comments. As they say "bad publicity is better than no publicity" Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What surprises me is the number of old Volvo estate cars still in regular use.
I was where I always take my cars for an MOT this afternoon and there was an "E" registered (1987/8Cool example, a 700 series (I think) in for it's annual test.

It was in good order and it passed.
There are quite a few around here in regular use - 1980s ones, not earlier.

How often do you see a Vauxhall Cavalier of any description these days?
Arguably a much better car than a Sierra or Mondeo.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
When did you last see a RWD Starlet or the early Micra (was that RWD as well?)
I had a couple of the former when I had my own driving school in Burnley.

Later on I went to Renaults a 9 and then an 11, don't see them around either.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ellis wrote:


How often do you see a Vauxhall Cavalier of any description these days?
Arguably a much better car than a Sierra or Mondeo.


I agree. I had a late J type Cavalier GLi and can honestly say it was a good car. They may or may not have been better than the competition; that debate was often held back then but in my opinion the Cavalier was better than the Fords. Significantly, it was also a far better design than the Vectra A which replaced it. Anyone who has changed the clutch, for example, on both will tell you which they prefer. The Vectra was not as well thought out but it didn't seem to affect sales much and the later 2.5 V6 versions were pretty quick!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A list of cars from the 2009 Government Scrappage Program. The numbers recorded may be less than the actual totals. Note the Audi 80 and some of the BMW totals. Like so many imports, the cost of repair and parts reduced resale values. The low cost and prestige value then made them popular to a lot of owners on reduced budgets, who in turn were hard pressed to find the money to cover the high costs of maintenance.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/357672/bis-foi-2014-20775-scrapped-vehicles-supporting-data.csv/preview

Reference to Ray's comments about the Lancia Beta. My understanding is that Lancia carried out a buy back and disposal due to severe corrosion problems and ceased production of RHD models for a period.
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