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Ray White
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 Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:19 am Post subject: "It's one of the Team cars, old boy!" |
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It would take a hard nosed purist to dismiss sporting replicas and probably a foolish one too. I have been keen on the MG M Type replicas since reading this article more years ago than I care to remember. The excitement of vintage sports car racing and the fact that my Father had a M Type midget - the first car I ever went in - have combined in my mind to quicken the pulse:
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/history/pdf/m-type_t+cc_jan75.pdf
Distinctly different from the many "specials" that exist as a manifestation of their creator's imagination, replicas are by definition a re creation of an historically important vehicle. To pass muster, a replica has to embody all the special elements of the original racer and attention to detail is essential. This is probably an area of expertise that few can achieve but to my way of thinking, there is no harm in trying.
Competing for equal affection and desirability (in my eyes) must be the now ubiquitous Austin Seven "Ulster"; the Austin Seven Sports Model is understandably a firm favourite for the enthusiastic replica builder and with no shortage of donor cars and readily available bodies one can see why.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiRm5C3jrzKAhVCiQ8KHTQfDmcQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sussexsportscars.co.uk%2Fcars%2F1932-austin-7-ulster-replica%2F&psig=AFQjCNG3_mpjsaT0MM3nY9A_5p8jO_3QxQ&ust=1453507206347572
There are a couple of problems, however. We have all heard of unscrupulous individuals taking advantage of inexperienced enthusiasts by passing off replicas as original vehicles. More knowledgeable buyers will know that genuinely original cars are going to sell for vast sums - that is if they even exist at all.
Another, recently discussed problem is the reluctance of the DVLA to issue age related number plates to such vehicles. This problem has been, as we know, been caused by builders of Bugatti replicas claiming originality with some of the most accurate recreations fooling even the experts!
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Ray White
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Rick. You could choose to go bog standard or replica Double Twelve. As you know there is a deep well of knowledge at the MMM Register.
The OC engine can be reliable but I think it can misbehave if it is left to it's own devices!
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ukdave2002
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I'd have a replica  I'd like to build a GT40 one day, or a Lotus 25!, but I don't agree with it having an right to an age related plate; if someone builds a midget on a Morris chassis it should havea Q plate or a current plate, we do need to protect our heritage !
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Ray White
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| ukdave2002 wrote: | I'd have a replica I'd like to build a GT40 one day, or a Lotus 25!, but I don't agree with it having an right to an age related plate; if someone builds a midget on a Morris chassis it should havea Q plate or a current plate, we do need to protect our heritage !
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I agree that where it is inappropriate an age related plate should not be issued. MG midgets, however, were all built on Minor chassis in the first place. |
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Penman
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Hi
| Ray White wrote: | | ukdave2002 wrote: | I'd have a replica I'd like to build a GT40 one day, or a Lotus 25!, but I don't agree with it having an right to an age related plate; if someone builds a midget on a Morris chassis it should havea Q plate or a current plate, we do need to protect our heritage !
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I agree that where it is inappropriate an age related plate should not be issued. MG midgets, however, were all built on Minor chassis in the first place. |
I suppose presuming it is an age comparable Morris chassis that it would be OK to seek an age related plate, after all we all know that MG stands for Morris Garages.
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Ray White
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| Penman wrote: | Hi
| Ray White wrote: | | ukdave2002 wrote: | I'd have a replica I'd like to build a GT40 one day, or a Lotus 25!, but I don't agree with it having an right to an age related plate; if someone builds a midget on a Morris chassis it should havea Q plate or a current plate, we do need to protect our heritage !
Dave |
I agree that where it is inappropriate an age related plate should not be issued. MG midgets, however, were all built on Minor chassis in the first place. |
I suppose presuming it is an age comparable Morris chassis that it would be OK to seek an age related plate, after all we all know that MG stands for Morris Garages. |
Try explaining that to the DVLA! |
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Ashley
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The problem with registering a modern replica of an old car is that it won't get registered because it won't meet current regulations.
A Chinese company makes basically very good replicas of MGTDs except that the windscreen is higher, it has an airbag steering wheel, seats with head restraints and lots of other things that totally ruined it.
It is my understanding, possibly wrong, that the Pursang Bugattis are not registerable in the UK and those that have been are down to trickery that may be questioned. |
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Ray White
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| Ashley wrote: | The problem with registering a modern replica of an old car is that it won't get registered because it won't meet current regulations.
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There is an eight point check list that the DVLA employ to establish eligibility. All major components have to be more than 25 years old. I say "major" because that is what should happen in practise but the regulations actually state that all components have to be over 25 years old. This is just a demonstration that the regulations have been drawn up by inexperienced individuals. There are efforts being made to clarify the situation.
Where you have a replica Austin Seven Ulster for example, where practically every part is Austin Seven apart from the body, I see no logical reason why the car should not qualify for an age related plate. My reasoning for this stance is that the chassis were offered sans body to various independent coach builders; in fact quality manufacturers such as Rolls Royce never originally built their own bodies. Originally, Barker was the preferred choice for bespoke bodies.
My own Austin Swallow is a good example of an Austin Seven that was independently bodied. I wonder if "Le Riche" in the channel Islands has trouble with the DVLA over registering his replica Swallows. Although I prefer original coachwork, I see no reason why a replica body on a genuine chassis should be regarded in the same way as a modern car. |
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