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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4236 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:16 pm Post subject: Selling Products containing Asbestos |
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Hi
Does anyone know the actual legal position for selling products that contain asbestos. I'm involved in spares for a club, and we have a number of gaskets that may or may not contain asbestos and some NOS that definatly will contain asbestos.
If it is illegal to sell anything with asbestos in these days under any circumstances (and I suspect it is) we will have to dispose of them, I wondered if there was any allowances for old original spec stuff, used in old vehicles?
Have searched the inter web and found the usual "unsubstantiated" opinions, but can't find anything to see if there is an "exception" that means we won't have to bin a load of good usable stuff!
There seems to be a difference if its "White" asbestos, anyone know what flavour of asbsetos was used in gaskets?
Cheers
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D4B

Joined: 28 Dec 2010 Posts: 2083 Location: Hampshire UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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In the late 1990's in my motor factoring days, we had to dispose of all gaskets containing asbestos, and as far as I know, traders are no longer allowed to sell any that do.
Not sure though whether it's any different if you are a private seller..... |
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peter scott

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7214 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Dave,
It looks like you can't even give away such items (legally).
Peter
http://www.hse.gov.uk/asbestos/faq.htm
"Can I sell an item that contains asbestos?
No. It is illegal to supply any article containing asbestos, whether for money, or free of charge." _________________ https://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk
1939 SS Jaguar 2 1/2 litre saloon |
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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4236 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks
I suspected that it was a no no!
The dilemma is that technicaly we should bin head gaskets for some quite rare models, and by rare I don't mean that they are particually valuable.......
Possibly we could run a auction where folk bid for the privilege of disposing of the gasket correctly.......
Dave |
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Bitumen Boy
Joined: 26 Jan 2012 Posts: 1763 Location: Above the snow line in old Monmouthshire
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Never mind the law, just keep quiet and say nowt. They haven't got anything like enough manpower to police these things and will only find you if you go looking for them. If somebody invented an asbestos camera and you could get fined for it the situation might be different... |
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petermeachem
Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Posts: 358 Location: Chichester Sussex
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Brilliant idea, it's not like the stuff kills you is it |
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Rick Site Admin

Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 22783 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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ukdave2002 wrote: | ...
Possibly we could run a auction where folk bid for the privilege of disposing of the gasket correctly.......
Dave |
Agreed it'd be a shame to bin them, especially if they're rare. Any pre-war Minor SV ones you wish to bin??
Maybe keep them in stock, in order that they can be used as patterns for "safe" modern equivalents to be produced in limited batches by the club?
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emmerson
Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 1268 Location: South East Wales
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Talking of which, I have 6 head gaskets for a Triumph 2000, a car I disposed of 5 years ago.
If anyone wants to dispose of them for me, then pm me . |
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PAUL BEAUMONT
Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Posts: 1281 Location: Barnsley S. Yorks
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:33 am Post subject: |
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There is an interesting article about asbestos in the current FBHVC Newsletter.
It seems that there is an exemption to the law concerning selling products that contain asbestos if it is in a historic vehicle, but this does not extend to supplying components, as I read it. |
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mikeC

Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1809 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:28 am Post subject: |
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There are at least two traders who are still selling NOS items containing asbestos (both on-line and at autojumbles) - whether there is some form of exemption, or whether they are just hoping no-one blows the whistle, I don't know... |
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norustplease

Joined: 11 Apr 2011 Posts: 825 Location: Lancashire
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:58 am Post subject: |
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At least gaskets will remain inert when installed. Its NOS brake shoes and linings that concern me. That stuff actually powders in use and sits in your brake drums and mechanisms, waiting to be inhaled at your next service! _________________ 1953 Citroen Traction
1964 Volvo PV544
1957 Austin A55 Mk 1
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petermeachem
Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Posts: 358 Location: Chichester Sussex
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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I know, I used to happily blow out brake drums and file the shoes down. I also used some asbestos tape to wrap around the exhaust. |
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JohnDale

Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 790 Location: Kelvin Valley,Scotland
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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As an apprentice working on cars & commercials it was the norm not to be able to see across the (large) workshop due to brake dust & it never affected me. Funny thing is I now get out of breath tying my shoelaces - wonder if there's a connection - surely not?
I thought it was only the hairy type of asbestos that was restricted, like the corrugated sheets etc but I've been wrong before.
Cheers,JD _________________ 1958 Ford Zephyr Mk2 Convertible
1976 Ford Granada Ghia. |
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andycars
Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 239 Location: South Wales
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Plenty of old gaskets, shoes and clutch plates for sale in "proper" autojumbles - never heard of an epidemic of asbestosis following a windy a/j! |
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Keith D
Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Posts: 1165 Location: Upper Swan, Western Australia
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:57 am Post subject: |
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I had two close friends die of mesothelioma, the cancer associated with asbestos. One was a plumber and the other a machinist. It was not a nice way to go. There is almost no such thing as remission with it.
Whatever we all do with clutches and brakes - don't breath the dust in. It seems to have a habit of getting you later in life, many years later.
The worst of the lot is blue asbestos. It was mined in Marble Bar (Western Australia) and the death toll of workers in later life is horrendous.
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