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norustplease
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I have one of the affected VW engines in my Skoda. I am waiting with baited breath to see what exactly I end up with when the car is modified.
I have seen some technical bulletins suggesting that the injectors will need to be replaced, but the letter from my local Skoda dealer seems optimistically to think that it will just be a half hour software download. My own concern is that the effects of whatever modification is required, will leave me with something sluggish and unpleasant to drive.
The dealer has also written to me trying to persuade me to turn it in for a new car!
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ukdave2002
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| norustplease wrote: | I have one of the affected VW engines in my Skoda. I am waiting with baited breath to see what exactly I end up with when the car is modified.
I have seen some technical bulletins suggesting that the injectors will need to be replaced, but the letter from my local Skoda dealer seems optimistically to think that it will just be a half hour software download. My own concern is that the effects of whatever modification is required, will leave me with something sluggish and unpleasant to drive.
The dealer has also written to me trying to persuade me to turn it in for a new car! |
My wife's Audi has the affected engine, she too is concerned; if the modification improves emmisions, I would expect a corresponding lack of performance ? Otherwise VAG would have not required the cheating software.
If performance is degraded, it will have an effect on future values and I would think that VAG will have to compensate owners. I suspect one option may be for them to offer a cracking deal on a new vehicle and it would have to be a cracking deal as many owner will have lost faith in the brand.
My wife's car will be 3 years old next year, timing would be good if we get the deal of the century !
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norustplease
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Yes, I fear the same. My car is 3 years old in May. To be fair, it has been a good car, but I am not sure that I would return to a VW group vehicle given the circumstances.
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My wife's car is a 2-year old VW (petrol). I wouldn't buy another on principle. Don't like being lied to.
I may have to eat my words if it emerges that every other manufacturer has been doing the same.
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ukdave2002
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I suspect vehicle manufacturers have stretched the truth on performance figures for years, VW have taken it to a new level!
There is however a part of me that admires the ingenuity of their engineers! I'm also concerned for the thousands of ordinary VW and dealer employees who may have their employment at risk through no fault of their own.
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norustplease
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Just had another letter from Skoda UK confirming that the mod is indeed a 30 minute software update and will be carried out ' early in 2016'. (2.0TDI).
Other diesel models will follow in in the 2nd and 3rd quarter, so presumably mine will happen prior to the end of March.
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norustplease
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I see that Vauxhall and Renault are being questioned now on cheat codes. It begins to look as if the use of diesels in cars is going to get some serious scrutiny before much longer.
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norustplease
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Still nothing from Skoda about an upgrade to make my engine legal! However, I must be on Dear John letter number four at least, entreating me to sell my car to them, even if I don't want a new one.
Is this a trick to quietly get all the dodgy ones off the road and out of circulation?
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ukdave2002
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VW have announced that they will not be paying compensation to UK owners as the software update won't affect performance against the original specifications, (frankly if this is true it's an incredible own goal for VW, as it implies they could have avoided the whole debacle!) thus residual values won't be affected.
However what they have not made public is that each dealer has been allocated a number of £1500 vouchers from VW , to be used at the dealers discretion if they feel a new car sale may be lost due to the adverse publicity generated by the scandal. My wife has just traded her 2013 A3 in for a TT and got £7600 off the list price with all the various offers combined. If you are considering changing now is probably a good time!
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norustplease
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| ukdave2002 wrote: | VW have announced that they will not be paying compensation to UK owners as the software update won't affect performance against the original specifications, (frankly if this is true it's an incredible own goal for VW, as it implies they could have avoided the whole debacle!) thus residual values won't be affected.
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My thoughts exactly, Skoda have made a similar assertion, but if the current performance/economy levels could have been achieved without a cheat code, then why bother doing something as risky in the first place. It was bound to be found out at some point with the green lobbies gaining strength everywhere.
I hadn't planned on buying a new car and had, in fact, been considering selling the Yeti and going to a modern classic (my wife runs an almost new car), since I retired at Christmas and don't do any business mileage any more. The depreciation is the main thing that I resent.
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| norustplease wrote: | | ukdave2002 wrote: | VW have announced that they will not be paying compensation to UK owners as the software update won't affect performance against the original specifications, (frankly if this is true it's an incredible own goal for VW, as it implies they could have avoided the whole debacle!) thus residual values won't be affected.
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My thoughts exactly, Skoda have made a similar assertion, but if the current performance/economy levels could have been achieved without a cheat code, then why bother doing something as risky in the first place. It was bound to be found out at some point with the green lobbies gaining strength everywhere.
I hadn't planned on buying a new car and had, in fact, been considering selling the Yeti and going to a modern classic (my wife runs an almost new car), since I retired at Christmas and don't do any business mileage any more. The depreciation is the main thing that I resent. |
Perhaps they were just trialling the system to see if they could get away with the same thing in spades in the future? I can see this constantly tightening green legislation effectively banning internal combustion engines in a few years' time and then where will the big car makers be? Electric cars still don't seem to be catching on, indeed given the lengthy commutes many people are lumbered with these days it's hard to see how they will ever be practical. |
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| peter scott wrote: | | Hydrogen? |
I expect other countries will make a success of hydrogen based technology in road transport, but I doubt it's going to be commercially viable any time soon and I can't see a British government coming up with the necessary public investment to make it work here. Take nuclear power as an example - we'll probably only have new nuclear power stations when all the foreigners have pulled out and the country is on a three day week (or worse) due to lack of electricity. They'll keep bleating on about renewables until the lights start to go out and then, when it's too late, the mad panic will set in. Never mind, so long as it's "after the next election" and some other mug has to deal with it...  |
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ka
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There is the other way to look at it. Should as VW say, reprogram the ICU to remove the 'amended' figures that the system reports when using a static test (when the car is on a rolling road), it will not make any difference to the true figures or emissions when the vehicle is in use or alternatively when the rear wheels are also going at the same speed as the front wheels. It is likely to be a simple upgrade that removes this part of the programme that both detects the testing procedure and reports accordingly.
It will be interesting to read reviews from owners after the upgrade.
I wonder if the bottom will drop out of the market of used Yeti's and the like that are affected. I may be in the queue for a used car!
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norustplease
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Another rambling letter from Skoda UK received in today's post. However nothing definitive in terms of exactly where they are with the roll out of the reprogramming etc. Just a pledge that their aim is that the car will still perform as before, but the implication that achieving that is proving difficult.
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