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peter scott
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What is also interesting is that there are now quite a significant number of voters being reported as saying that they would not have voted to leave, if they had understood what the consequences would be!!!! Where have they been for the last few months!!!??? |
Yes, unfortunately a lot of people interviewed clearly have dissatisfactions with their current lot and thought anything was better than the status quo. They may have wanted change but I'll bet they won't be happy when they find what this change does.
It's worth reading about Article 50.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-process-for-withdrawing-from-the-european-union
For sure the Germans will still want to sell their fancy cars to our more affluent citizens but the sales will probably just shift to the countries where the high paid jobs move out to.
Peter (Highly depressed)
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Sadly I think a lot of people just thought that, in or out, things would just poodle along as they had always done. Anyone who were under the impression that coming out would not require massive change were deluded, I 100% agree that an awful lot of people voted on a 'knee jerk' rather than taking in how it would affect them individually.
Personally I like change and the measured risk that goes with it and always have done. At 58 I have just made my fifth (and last) career change, moved my pensions to a SIPP etc. I guess in some part the type of person you are will dictate how you deal with what's to come. |
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Peter_L
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| peterwpg wrote: | Once the dust settles life will carry on and more than likely England will become more prosperous.
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may I be allowed to apologise for using the word "England", instead of perhaps
Britain or Great Britain.
The comment was in no way intended to ignore or snub anyone.
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Bitumen Boy
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| norustplease wrote: |
What is also interesting is that there are now quite a significant number of voters being reported as saying that they would not have voted to leave, if they had understood what the consequences would be!!!! Where have they been for the last few months!!!??? |
I suspect these voters understood and were happy with the external risks but hadn't reckoned on Scameron's bungled resignation following the leave vote - quite possibly deliberately bungled out of spite. He should either stay and start negotiating or should have resigned before the referendum and had it arranged for the Tory leadership vote to take place the next day. For once I agree with EU politicians, this whole idea of letting things drift until some as yet unspecified date in the autumn is no way to deal with the referendum result - but perhaps it is characteristic of Scameron's poshboy arrogance that he never considered the possibility of project fear failing to deliver the "correct" result. |
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peter scott
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| peterwpg wrote: |
may I be allowed to apologise for using the word "England", instead of perhaps
Britain or Great Britain.
The comment was in no way intended to ignore or snub anyone.
Peter |
You're forgiven! 
I'm afraid it's a very common mistake especially with North Americans.
I just thought I'd have a dig at you. Normally I hear it on the TV and can't complain.
Peter 
p.s. If you want to describe England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland then the correct label is United Kingdom.
Britain / Great Britain does not include Northern Ireland.
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ukdave2002
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| peter scott wrote: | | norustplease wrote: |
What is also interesting is that there are now quite a significant number of voters being reported as saying that they would not have voted to leave, if they had understood what the consequences would be!!!! Where have they been for the last few months!!!??? |
Yes, unfortunately a lot of people interviewed clearly have dissatisfactions with their current lot and thought anything was better than the status quo. They may have wanted change but I'll bet they won't be happy when they find what this change does.
It's worth reading about Article 50.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-process-for-withdrawing-from-the-european-union
For sure the Germans will still want to sell their fancy cars to our more affluent citizens but the sales will probably just shift to the countries where the high paid jobs move out to.
Peter (Highly depressed) |
The challenge always was that the public were not presented with the key factual consequences of leaving, so many voted on misinformation and anecdotal gossip; I heard a chap being interviewed this morning, he voted exit, one of his reasons was that: the EU Employment regulations did not protect workers as illustrated by what has just happened at British Home Stores !!! you couldn't make it up.
Taken from the BBC Business News
11:03
So we're just approaching 11am - how are the markets looking?
The FTSE 100 is extending losses - led by the airline Easyjet (down a whopping 19.5%)
Banks are also a major drag on the index - with RBS down 14.5% and Barclays down 11%.
On the currency markets sterling's slide against the dollar has intensified - it's now down more than 3% at £1.3221 - a new 31-year low, below even Friday's low.
Against the euro the pound is at its lowest since March 2014 at 83.41p.
My own company has been devalued by 18% possibly as 50% of our customer base is in the Financial Sector.
Whilst there is not a lot of love for the Financial Sector in the UK, its represents some 23% of GDP. Clearly loosing this or part of it would be very damaging for the UK, and lets be realistic we are not going to replace it with more traditional jobs unless of course UK staff start working for Chinese wages.
I suspect one of the reasons Sturgeon wants to keep Scotland in, is that some of the FS business could be transferred to Scotland, remember there is a healthy Financial Sector based in Edinburgh today, moving services is relatively simple, especially when there is no language change.
No one has identified the cost of transition, and the additional costs that we will incur now we have to do our own legislation (assuming we can afford it!) , will we still maintain the same level of grants to Cornwall, Wales etc?
Vehicle wise; as oil is traded in dollars, a rise in fuel prices must be on the horizon 
I was all for changing how we engaged with the EU, it is to fat and lacks transparency, but fear we may have gone a step too far...
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peter scott
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| ukdave2002 wrote: |
I was all for changing how we engaged with the EU, it is to fat and lacks transparency, but fear we may have gone a step too far...
Dave |
Fortunately Boris appears to have got cold feet now that the realities are beginning to dawn and he is talking of negotiating our continued membership of the single market.
Maybe we won't suffer as much as it first appeared.
Peter
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PAUL BEAUMONT
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| Boris, ah yes he was the guy who "came up with" the sensible idea of building London a real airport in the Thames estuary until he discovered that there was water there. He ought to have learnt his lesson by now. Future PM - spare us!! |
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PAUL BEAUMONT
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Fortunately Boris appears to have got cold feet now that the realities are beginning to dawn and he is talking of negotiating our continued membership of the single market.
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Very cold feet!! |
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peter scott
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He clearly saw that the writing was on the wall and that there is no hope of free access to the single market combined with any sort of immigration control. So, destined to fail. Bad for the CV.
Drop out and try and back a winner next time.
Peter 
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PAUL BEAUMONT
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| I'm looking forward to tomorrow's headline "Boris leads campaign for second referendum"! |
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peter scott
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Ellis
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Well!
What do you think of Boris Johnson's decision NOT to stand for leadership of the Conservative party?
There's something afoot methinks.........................
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Peter_L
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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How many are genuine though
RJ |
The petition is under legal scrutiny, plus there is no process for over throwing a referendum result. The vote was close so if it had gone the other way, there were still a lot of people who could also try a petition.
Democracy doesn't mean keep voting until a certain group get their own way.
I would never ever vote Labour, but if the people elect a Labour Government then that is what it is. |
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