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[ukdave2002]

This came through today from "Techmarket View's"news feed.....



I presume something will have to change?

Dave

[Rootes75]

I read an article on BBC about this, they say car tax evasion has tripled since the paper tax disc was put to bed. A potential saving of £10 million saving has resulted in a £107 million loss!?!
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[Whitegoatie]

An 'Insured Vehicle' disc could also be a good option. Trouble is who would police it? Bobbies on the beat? Traffic Wardens? Parking Enforcement Officers?

[Ray White]

Personally, I think all the duty raised from vehicles should be on fuel. That way if you run a thirsty car you pay proportionately more than a more economical one. Also, if you rack up a high milage you would pay proportionately more than someone who just potters about locally.

[Rootes75]

It would work better if it were on fuel then everyone would have to pay it, or would it lead to loads more fuel thefts etc?

We already pay a huge amount of tax on fuel aswel I suppose.
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[badhuis]

[Ray White]

Wee Krankie has just put through a minimum price on alcohol sold in Scotland so I expect we will see a similar thing happening here with booze!

[alastairq]

I think revenues would fall if on fuel duty alone..[aside from my contributions....with a '67 Mustang that uses around 23 mpg's.!].....as modern cars [the majority on the roads, the powers-that-be would have us believe?]become ever more frugal in their use of fuel?

Then what about leccy cars?

I think the whole issue surrounding tax-dodging on motors was bound to happen....regardless of whether tax discs, or indeed, any other method of identification & enforcement were used.

The problem lies with the reliance on technology to administer and enforce.

We want technology because we, as the tax-paying public, don't want our money spent on such trivia as VED administration.

In the same way we don't want Police pursuing drivers for breaking the LAw.....we would rather have them out catching burglars.

I think the rise in VED avoidance [which may also equate to a rise in uninsured vehicles??]....is down to the current, and past, economic climate.

The car/vehicle has achieved the status of 'white goods'....if one needs transport, but cannot afford the administrative costs, then one simply ignores them!

It's down to the 'odds'.....of actually being caught, then pursued legally.

DVLA were supposed to have vans out using ANPR to enforce...but such is the density of traffic, and the costs involved of enforcement, it is unlikely anything really came of it?
There are, or were, fixed camera sites on major trunk routes doing ANPR too...all too easy to avoid, I think?

ANother problem with putting VED on fuel is, it really truly messes up governments' inflation, & cost-of-living figures....a political hot potato.

The untaxed vehicle question actually is far too generalized to really be of any more use than to beat yet another hard-pressed public department, which is what all this is.

I see no mention, either from the AA [an organisation I have not a lotta faith in?}.....or anybody else, about how this VED avoidance issue is broken down?

How much is down to ignorance of the regulations?

How much is down to personal economics?

How much is down to V5c fraud?

How much s down to sheer criminality?

How much is down to failures to comply with V5C rules..like, address changes and so on?

How many of those VED dodgers should have been SORNed...but weren't?

How much is down to 'couldn't care less?'

How much is down to..cannot afford insurance, yet need to use a car...for school runs or simply, getting to & from work? {I would be able to afford insurance if I could get to & from my job??}

How much is down to...cannot afford the MoT this month?

The pressures to have, & use, a car for the mundane jobs [it ain't a luxury any more]....is so great, especially when mixed with other pressures like, household payments etc etc etc...and the likelihood of getting caught providing one keeps a 'low profile'....is so reduced...no wonder there is a rise in untaxed [uninsured, un-MoT'd??] vehicles.

Tax disc or not.....it has always been there, and is on an ever-increasing scale.

Finally, just where do all these tub-thumping agencies get their figures from?

If they've been counted, then why are there not several million Notices of Summons dropping through the relevant Registered Keepers' letter boxes?

No..as far as I'm concerned, there is too much generalisation for the story to have credibility with me .

[Uncle Alec]

Interesting would it not be to set up as direct debit to pay annually the VED on a Historic Vehicle?
The VED would be renewed but the DD demand would be for £0.
Volunteer wanted.

[alastairq]

[alastairq]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-dvla-tax-it-or-lose-it-campaign-is-aimed-at-car-tax-dodgers

I think my Daihatsu Fourtrak has similar paint...it certainly is invisible to an awful lot of car drivers!!

So, from the above advert, do we assume there will be a flood of wheel clamps on eBay shortly??

[lowdrag]

I'm scratching my head here. I want to pay monthly, but dividing £0 by 12 is complicated.

[Ray White]

[emmerson]

I believe some finance companies fit a "black box", so that if you don't pay, the car won't start. If this is true, why can't the system be applied to road tax and insurance?

[Bitumen Boy]