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peter scott



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:04 pm    Post subject: Battery Electric Conversion Reply with quote

I just watched a TV program showing the conversion of a VW Karman Ghia.

The batteries cost £10k. The motor £4k and installation and other parts brought the final bill up to £30k.

The car had better performance and handling than the original and a maximum range 150 to 170 miles.

I don't think I'll be going down that route for a car with no heater.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Karman Ghia may well convert well to electric but without being rude it was always just a beetle in a party frock.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just cannot see the point or appeal in converting a classic car to an EV, the engine and how it sounds and works is the heart of a car and often its defining feature. A 1970s 911 at the NEC the other day had been converted and had been ruined IMO. I can only assume that such cars appeal to posers in their Steve McQueen Gulf Oils jackets who want the look but have no interest in, or concept of, a car's history, and how/why it (in the case of this 911) became to be as revered as it is today. Next they'll be piping digitised 911 engine sounds into the cabin (if they aren't already).

I partially "get" brand new EVs in city centre locations and where long trips aren't often attempted, although hybrids PHEVs seem to make more sense to me.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps folk converting old cars are desperate to be seen using them in London's ULEZ but they must be planning a lot of use just to avoid the polluting vehicle charges.

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Miken



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems a bit pointless to do an alteration like this at the moment, but I think that 10-15 years after the last new petrol car has been sold in this country and the demand and supply for fuel has inevitably declined, more people will consider converting their old car to electric. Although a large proportion won't be able to afford to do this or be so inclined.
If I'm correct, I can't see many people paying a lot of money to buy an old car and then a lot more to convert it. In which case I think a lot of old vehicles will become difficult to sell.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miken wrote:
It seems a bit pointless to do an alteration like this at the moment, but I think that 10-15 years after the last new petrol car has been sold in this country and the demand and supply for fuel has inevitably declined, more people will consider converting their old car to electric. Although a large proportion won't be able to afford to do this or be so inclined.
If I'm correct, I can't see many people paying a lot of money to buy an old car and then a lot more to convert it. In which case I think a lot of old vehicles will become difficult to sell.


Plenty of water will have flowed under the bridge by then. Apparently Prince Charles and Camilla flew in a plane powered by "clean" fuel....whatever that is.

Petrol doesn't HAVE to be made by the big oil companies. I think there will be opportunities for smaller companies to take off where the giants leave off.

Personally, I worry that traditional skills like white metal pouring for example will all but disappear and it will be difficult to keep old cars going for reasons other than the availability of petrol.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Apparently Prince Charles and Camilla flew in a plane powered by "clean" fuel....whatever that is.


Bee Pee, perchance?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alastairq wrote:
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Apparently Prince Charles and Camilla flew in a plane powered by "clean" fuel....whatever that is.


Bee Pee, perchance?


Jet wash? Embarassed
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was at a car show in Manchester a couple of years ago, where Ed China was giving a talk; much (I suspect) to the disappointment of the audience, he raved on about electric conversions being the way forward for the classic movement!

I really don’t get it, in the main the interest and preservation of an old car has to be about about the whole thing, preserving the technology and style of the period, granted there have and always will be folk who want to modify their vehicle with a different engine or a special body, and I wouldn’t object to an individual doing that as it’s also part of our heritage.

Just don’t force me to fit an electric motor!

Dave
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me that we are our own worst enemy. The more valuable the car the less it matters if it is allowed onto the road or not. The best Classic cars are hoarded by collectors like priceless works of art and are seldom - if ever - driven on public roads. All those trailer queens are good for is an investment.

The only hope for the rest of us seems to be the tax revenue that the hobby brings in. It is as we know worth bllions£ to the economy.

One little matter that may hold more sway than we realise is the the London to Brighton Veteran car run.

Could it be that the thing that spawned the preservation of old cars be the same thing that could save it. The Run is an intrinsic part of our National Heritage and woe betide any Government that deliberately ruins it.
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Miken



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:
I was at a car show in Manchester a couple of years ago, where Ed China was giving a talk; much (I suspect) to the disappointment of the audience, he raved on about electric conversions being the way forward for the classic movement.

Dave


One reason could be that quite soon, in the run up to 2030, driving schools will be converting to electric cars. So if, later on, after learning to drive, a young driver then decides they want a classic car, they will have to find a driving school with manual transmission cars (which won't exist by then) and then take lessons (which also probably won't exist) and pass a second test in a manual car. I feel this will be a problem for the future classic car movement because a diminishing number of drivers will have a licence to legally drive a manual transmission vehicle.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has always been the case that if you pass your test in an automatic your license will not entitle you to drive a manual.

It is also not mandatory to have driving lessons before sitting the test.
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Miken



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:


It is also not mandatory to have driving lessons before sitting the test.


Yes, but I think most people do.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Ray White"]
Miken wrote:

Petrol doesn't HAVE to be made by the big oil companies. I think there will be opportunities for smaller companies to take off where the giants leave off.



There are an awful lot of products in general use that are a by-product of the petrol industry; or to put it another way, petrol will still be the by-product of many other products.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miken wrote:
ukdave2002 wrote:
I was at a car show in Manchester a couple of years ago, where Ed China was giving a talk; much (I suspect) to the disappointment of the audience, he raved on about electric conversions being the way forward for the classic movement.

Dave


One reason could be that quite soon, in the run up to 2030, driving schools will be converting to electric cars. So if, later on, after learning to drive, a young driver then decides they want a classic car, they will have to find a driving school with manual transmission cars (which won't exist by then) and then take lessons (which also probably won't exist) and pass a second test in a manual car. I feel this will be a problem for the future classic car movement because a diminishing number of drivers will have a licence to legally drive a manual transmission vehicle.


Very good point, that's one aspect that I hadn't considered.

Dave
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