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1953 Ford Anglia E494A
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alastairq



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
My Dad had a sideline converting the rods to take shells.

A " nice little earner " .

Wink


Not quite so cheap or easy these days. [problem of sourcing shells, for example?]

A ''well known'' retailer has sold a number of rod conversions which have been a bit substandard on reflection [not their fault, more the fault of the garden-shed expert who made them?]
To be fair, a shell conversion for the big ends works out almost as costly as having the originals re-metaled, at today's prices.

But then, a white-metaled rod will be 'stronger' than a machined-down item..
The Ford sidevalves were not noted for having weak bottom ends...on the contrary.
A strong engine, especially when compared with their commercial competitors of the time?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a white-metaled con rod, the side float of the big end has to be adjusted by machining the white metal thrust faces of the bearing to suit the width of the crankshaft journal it runs on.
When you remove all of the white metal you now have a con rod with too much side float.
Its not as simple as just boring out the eye of the rod to take a shell bearing. You first have to build up the thrust faces of the rod before facing back to finished width and then boring to accept the shells.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alastairq wrote:
Ray White wrote:
My Dad had a sideline converting the rods to take shells.

A " nice little earner " .

Wink

The Ford sidevalves were not noted for having weak bottom ends...on the contrary.
A strong engine, especially when compared with their commercial competitors of the time?


Not only that but you could buy a recon engine cheap as chips. It's a wonder anyone bothered.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miken wrote:
On a white-metaled con rod, the side float of the big end has to be adjusted by machining the white metal thrust faces of the bearing to suit the width of the crankshaft journal it runs on.
When you remove all of the white metal you now have a con rod with too much side float.
Its not as simple as just boring out the eye of the rod to take a shell bearing. You first have to build up the thrust faces of the rod before facing back to finished width and then boring to accept the shells.


One thing I learned early on was that some engines utilised the centre main bearing for crankshaft thrust. When it became worn the engine would knock... but it sounded worse than it was.!

Of course the Triumph 2000 engine had thrust taken by shims at the end of the crankshaft. When they became worn they simply fell out!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not only that but you could buy a recon engine cheap as chips. It's a wonder anyone bothered.

Hah! Not any more, you can't! They're almost as costly as a recon ferrari engine!
Or it seems like it?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alastairq wrote:
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Not only that but you could buy a recon engine cheap as chips. It's a wonder anyone bothered.

Hah! Not any more, you can't! They're almost as costly as a recon ferrari engine!
Or it seems like it?


30 sir (surely the prices haven't gone up since 1961 .. Wink )
https://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/fordengine.htm

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Ray White



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the money saving ideas (tight fisted if you prefer) went a bit too far. An example I found when sorting through my Dad's things was a 'former' for cutting out A series rocker cover gaskets from sheet cork.

This consisted of two concentric steel bands let into a block of wood. One would simply press it onto a sheet of cork gasket material (presumable half inched) and hey presto a new rocker cover gasket was produced.

For anyone servicing Mins and 1100s in numbers it all added to the profit.

Another item I found was a con rod straightener.

Don't worry that the bent con rod might have metal fatigue...just straighten it out, stick it back in... and hope it last a while. Rolling Eyes
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Don't worry that the bent con rod might have metal fatigue...just straighten it out, stick it back in... and hope it last a while. Rolling Eyes



It would be alright..plenty of surplus strength...after all, one isn't going to be racing the thing, surely? just popping back & forth to work, etc? Plus the odd picnic?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alastairq wrote:
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Don't worry that the bent con rod might have metal fatigue...just straighten it out, stick it back in... and hope it last a while. Rolling Eyes



It would be alright..plenty of surplus strength...after all, one isn't going to be racing the thing, surely? just popping back & forth to work, etc? Plus the odd picnic?


You are right, of course. Most of Dad's customers would have used their cars for work. Besides, if they had a problem he would have sorted it out for them.

I am sure when it came to the occasional "money bags with an Aston Martin or a MK 6 Bentley new parts would have been sourced and marked up.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We took the Anglia out for a run around the other day, just to give everything some exercise and warm it through properly rather than just have it sat running on the drive. In just a few miles we encountered a gent out for a drive on his miniature steam traction engine, and I also bumped into someone I know who has a few oldies tucked away including an E83W in his shed that his dad bought in the 1950s.

A short vid of the drive around and steamer sighting was uploaded to the OCC Youtube channel this morning.

https://youtu.be/M1cC9ZGvZ4o

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We took the Anglia out to its first car meeting of the year on Sunday, held at the Crewe Heritage Centre. Bumped into Mike with his droopsnoot Vauxhall and caught up with a few other people I'd not seen in a while, all in all a good day out.

On the way back the fan belt started to make a bid for freedom, and managed to turn itself inside out somehow, which I've not seen before. A spare belt that was in a Ford-labelled packet didn't actually fit, but I found an old-stock one of the right dimensions, so that went on.

I uploaded a vid covering some of the prep, including a tidy-up of the bakelite dash etc, heading over to the show, a quick summary of various other cars on display, then back at home:

https://youtu.be/X_w5ldM5gis



A full vid looking at all the old cars at this meeting will be uploaded on Friday all being well Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be wary of relying on NOS belts.

This should fit a 52 Anglia



https://bit.ly/3KWm5Lw

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Ray White



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:
I'd be wary of relying on NOS belts.
Dave



...where as I would fit it and see how much use I could get out of it...

Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
ukdave2002 wrote:
I'd be wary of relying on NOS belts.
Dave



...where as I would fit it and see how much use I could get out of it...

Wink


Well I'll give the NOS one a go and see what happens, fortunately there's no water pump & subsequent boil-up to worry about if it lets go. Thanks for the link Dave, if problems continue I'll check out the new ones.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Anglia went out with the MX5 to a recent morning meet, the weather was great and there was an excellent turnout (including a Model Y), the fanbelt appears to work but I'll keep a close eye on it in case it deteriorates before its time.
https://youtu.be/FCavDaM4UYc


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