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Ray White
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I really don't know what to make of that project?
Regardless of the price (which after all is no guarantee of value) I can't see how a car like this can ever be regarded as an historic vehicle without an original chassis? |
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mikeC
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| Ray White wrote: | I really don't know what to make of that project?
Regardless of the price (which after all is no guarantee of value) I can't see how a car like this can ever be regarded as an historic vehicle without an original chassis? |
Given the amount of publicity this has received, I can see the DVLA agreeing with you, Ray! 150PH doesn't appear on their database, so that's unlikely to be re-issued to the reconstruction. At best I can see it being issued with a Q-plate, and more likely it will not be possible to register it at all. But I suppose someone could build it up as a track-only car, and no doubt Goodwood would welcome it with open arms.
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Ray White
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I think I prefer the Aceca that was on Bangers & Cash recently, which didn't sell for around £70k bid (the owner was expecting 100k).
RJ |
I saw that one too. Beautiful looking car; probably bid to a realistic figure but the owner was presumably influenced by the prices paid for trailer queens. It was a very nice usable car with supposedly the wrong engine?
What I am unsure of is that some later cars DID have a Ford Zephyr engine. I presume that was not not one of them... but does it really matter?? |
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alastairq
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| Quote: | | What I am unsure of is that some later cars DID have a Ford Zephyr engine. |
Indeed they did. Bristol stopped making their 2 litre 6 pot engine in, I think, 1960 or 61.
So AC took on board the Ford 2.6 litre 6 pot Zephyr engine, tuned of course. [Possibly a Raymond Mays cylinder head too]...
This was more powerful than the Bristol engine...and in my view, a better engine for a ''user''.....parts being available more easily than for a Bristol.
From the VHI 'substantial change' pdf...
| Quote: | A vehicle will be considered substantially changed if the technical characteristics of
the main components have changed in the previous 30 years, unless the changes
fall into specific categories. These main components for vehicles, other than
motorcycles2, are:
Chassis (replacements of the same pattern as the original are not considered a
substantial change) or Monocoque bodyshell including any sub-frames
(replacements of the same pattern as the original are not considered a substantial
change);
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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/670431/vehicles-of-historical-interest-substantial-change-guidance.pdf
The above seems to acknowledge the presence of heritage shells, replica chassis, etc.
So it may be possible to re-claim the original registration mark, if a replica tube chassis can be constructed? Money, obviously, being no object.
Mind, building a proper replica chassis for my Dellow [not that it needs one] would, if being correct, involve obtaining chrome moly steel tube....or, better still, to be really really original, the bodies from WW2 vintage RPG3 or 4 rockets. joined together, as Dellow did [steel shortages in the early 1950's.]
Mind, an old chum of mine was building a Moran F2, when all he had was half a Morgan chassis side, and the gearbox....to start with! 
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lowdrag
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| In the late eighties I was interested in one of the 37 Zephyr-engined cars, but decided against it in the end. I do rmeember that the asking price was not much more than 10% of this jigsaw puzzle though. Apparently one of these cars was sold for not far short of £500,000 not long back, so it seems a feasible project. |
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norustplease
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Words fail me when I see people spending that kind of money on what isn't even a complete jigsaw.
Crazy.
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Ray White
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2022 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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I would imagine if one had all the missing parts to hand, then, given some deep pockets a lot of experience and the patience of a Saint, it could be a viable project..... but that said it could just as easily run into the sand.  |
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