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Ray White



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 1:50 am    Post subject: You want patina.... Reply with quote




I think cars like this should come with a health warning. So many untouched relics like this have been bought by people who think they can restore them ...only to find that it is much easier to strip a car down than it is to rebuild it.

Just as bad are the hot rod boys who have zero appreciation of originality. (Although, to be fair, they are not so interested in saloons; preferring the rare coupe styling.

https://www.mathewsons.co.uk/auction/lot/lot-678---1938-vauxhall-12---all-proceeds-to-charity/?lot=44010&so=0&st=&sto=0&au=95&ef=&et=&ic=False&sd=0&mc=2&pp=48&pn=7&g=1
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those leather seats are in pretty decent shape.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rootes75 wrote:
Those leather seats are in pretty decent shape.


They are indeed. They may need to be re stitched but the leather looks quite saveable. In fact, if one can look past the surface rust, this car has great potential. It has not been knocked about and appears generally complete.

The biggest difficulty with these Vauxhalls is restoring the Dubonet Knee Action suspension.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Ray White"]
Rootes75 wrote:


The biggest difficulty with these Vauxhalls is restoring the Dubonet Knee Action suspension.


I think chrome plating the flutes in the bonnet would also be very difficult and expensive.
If I had to do it I would cut the flutes completely out and fabricate and weld in new replacements from stainless steel. The welds could be ground flat and smooth and it could all be polished to look almost as good as chrome.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Miken"]
Ray White wrote:
Rootes75 wrote:


The biggest difficulty with these Vauxhalls is restoring the Dubonet Knee Action suspension.


I think chrome plating the flutes in the bonnet would also be very difficult and expensive.
If I had to do it I would cut the flutes completely out and fabricate and weld in new replacements from stainless steel. The welds could be ground flat and smooth and it could all be polished to look almost as good as chrome.


I would probably make a hash of stainless steel welding so unless I handed it over to an expert I would probably fashion the flutes out of brass and braze them into place. It could then be chrome plated.

My way would be more expensive but sometimes needs must....
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2025 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly I see potential in a car like this.

As has been said, she's not been modified or played about with, looks pretty much complete too.

If you have the patience and the vision of what she would look like finished...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2025 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rootes75 wrote:
Honestly I see potential in a car like this.

As has been said, she's not been modified or played about with, looks pretty much complete too.

If you have the patience and the vision of what she would look like finished...


...I think Jean would sue for divorce!!... Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A fun oily-ragger perhaps, some Vauxhalls of that era had removable flutes - I rescued the remains of a 12 or 14 some years back and saved the flutes from it, whether it was a late 30s or late 40s car I don't remember offhand but it was a similar age and appearance to this one.

It'd have to be cheap though, as a presentable "user" 12 or 14 can be found for not a lot of money.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2025 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Ray White"]
Miken wrote:
Ray White wrote:
Rootes75 wrote:


The biggest difficulty with these Vauxhalls is restoring the Dubonet Knee Action suspension.


I think chrome plating the flutes in the bonnet would also be very difficult and expensive.
If I had to do it I would cut the flutes completely out and fabricate and weld in new replacements from stainless steel. The welds could be ground flat and smooth and it could all be polished to look almost as good as chrome.


I would probably make a hash of stainless steel welding so unless I handed it over to an expert I would probably fashion the flutes out of brass and braze them into place. It could then be chrome plated.

My way would be more expensive but sometimes needs must....


Thinking about it, a very easy way to do the bonnet flutes on a budget would be to use chrome finish, vinyl wrap material. A square meter would probably provide enough material to replace it every year for ages, if it went dull or got scratched.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2025 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Miken"][quote="Ray White"][quote="Miken"][quote="Ray White"]
Rootes75 wrote:



Thinking about it, a very easy way to do the bonnet flutes on a budget would be to use chrome finish, vinyl wrap material. A square meter would probably provide enough material to replace it every year for ages, if it went dull or got scratched.


I bought some just to see what it was like. I wrapped the TC steering column to give the chrome effect and was surprised at how good it looked.

I showed it to my neighbour who thought it had been chrome plated. IT was obviously not as good as the real thing close up but it certainly looks good for the money. I would have no hesitation in using it for the Vauxhall flutes bearing in mind all the other work required.


The only real downside is that the wrap is so soft.

(Obviously the answer would be to persuade Rick to part with the flutes he saved just for this car! )
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2025 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen some Vauxhalls round here with the flutes painted silver. TBH its only when you get closer that you really notice that it hasn't the shine of chrome.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2025 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had a good look through the other auction entries and there's some lovely vehicles up for grabs.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2025 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rootes75 wrote:
I've had a good look through the other auction entries and there's some lovely vehicles up for grabs.


Not everyone's cup of tea but I would be tempted by the Mark V1 Bentley 'big bore' that Derek has had on display in his own collection since 2013. The car seems very sound and reasonably tidy and original inside - although the old brown leather - nice as it is - might be rather claustrophobic.

The biggest worry is the mechanical neglect that could be horrendously expensive to address. Again, with an auction you don't get to test drive the cars being offered for sale...so the price needs to be very attractive indeed!

14 - 18 K doesn't really draw me in and I suppose if it doesn't reach his valuation then Derek will simply put it back in their museum.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't often do it for me but I quite like Lot 382, a 1944 Austin 10. Nice patina and very presentable.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rootes75 wrote:
They don't often do it for me but I quite like Lot 382, a 1944 Austin 10. Nice patina and very presentable.


Actually,,, that is a better car than it might at first appear. Not worn out by any means and what I would say is an ideal 'starter' classic for someone who is not afraid to get tucked in.
Once recommissioned it will take you anywhere you want to go.

My favourite Uncle and Aunt had one of those and they loved it. Eventually they traded it in for a Mk1 Escort...another virtually indestructible car.... but always talked about the beloved Austin Cambridge.
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