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badhuis

Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 1469 Location: Netherlands
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petelang
Joined: 21 May 2009 Posts: 475 Location: Nottingham
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like it's riddled with worm which will make a restoration very challenging. Very intact though. With current pre war prices, it will be a big mistakes to expect that price. _________________ Daimler Fifteen 1934 (now sold)
Armstrong Siddeley 15 Long 1933
Daimler V8 250 1969 |
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7145 Location: Derby
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Sold for 2000K. I would be concerned about the availability of spares. Also these were corchbuilt aluminium on Ash and rotten timber can be a major issue.
Nice as they appear to be, these heavy, low powered cars were tediously slow. When I say slow; they can make an Austin 12 seem quick.  |
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alastairq
Joined: 14 Oct 2016 Posts: 2122 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Looking them up, I see they were able to top 60 mph! I would ask, when, exactly? _________________ Dellow Mk2, 1951 built, reg 1952.
Fiat 126 BIS
Cannon special [1996 registered. Built in 1950's]
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Ford Pop chassis, Ashley 1172 bodyshell, in pieces. |
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bjacko
Joined: 28 Oct 2013 Posts: 527 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 7:37 am Post subject: Aluminium |
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Don't get tricked by the people who say Aluminium doesn't rust. Corrosion goes through Aluminium quicker than rust through steel. It has always been a problem on aircraft and has to be treated with chemicals to stop it and re-protected with paint or plating. _________________ 1938 Morris 8 Ser II Coupe Utility (Pickup)
1985 Rover SD1 VDP |
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7145 Location: Derby
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| alastairq wrote: | | Looking them up, I see they were able to top 60 mph! I would ask, when, exactly? |
I remember my Dad used to service one of these in the '60s. and I remember his expression which I thought was funny... " couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding".
Alastair, I think you are correct. it was not so much the top speed that was the problem as much as the acceleration; or lack of it.
I think a car of this size needs at least 2 and preferably 3 litres. Armstrong Siddeley had made much bigger cars for the Carriage Trade but 12 HP cars like this were probably an attempt to widen their appeal and increase sales. I expect they were quite well received by the aspiring classes when new.
The post War cars were, on the other hand, as good as a Rolls Royce; my favourite being the Star Saphire. |
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petelang
Joined: 21 May 2009 Posts: 475 Location: Nottingham
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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No aluminium involved. It's all steel pressings over ash framing. The steel will probably still be good, as will largely the ash frame, except where water has got in, like around A posts, C posts and in door frames. But, the bulkheads and floors are all plywood and woodworm loves the glue in it. If the ply has had it and weakened it, the body will likely be compromised on its security to the chassis.
The chassis and running gear however is as tough as old boots and will likely be in almost A1 condition.
Yes, they are capable of 60 plus, takes a little while to get there admittedly but a lovely smooth six pot pulling you along is a joy.
These were premium cars in their day. "Cars built to aircraft quality" was their sales slogan. _________________ Daimler Fifteen 1934 (now sold)
Armstrong Siddeley 15 Long 1933
Daimler V8 250 1969 |
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7145 Location: Derby
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for the correction re steel on Ash.
I always fancied a 17HP.
A better power to weight ratio? |
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mikeC

Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1809 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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My grandfather ran a 17HP Armstrong Siddeley in the 1950s; he was a very sedate driver, but I can recall my father having difficulty keeping up with him in our Lagonda Rapier. Admittedly the Lagonda was only 1100cc, but it was considered quite sporting, and my father was a keen and competitive motorist. Both cars had pre-selector gearboxes, and I know from experience that that makes a big difference to acceleration, so I wouldn't dismiss the 12HP as being slower than an Austin Twelve under most conditions. _________________ in the garage: 1938 Talbot Ten Airline
Recently departed: 1953 Lancia Appia, 1931 Austin Seven, 1967 Singer Chamois, 1914 Saxon, 1930 Morris Cowley, 1936 BSA Scout, 1958 Lancia Appia coupe, 1922 Star 11.9 ... the list goes on! |
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7145 Location: Derby
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I have very little experience of Armstrong Siddeley cars so perhaps I should not make uninformed comment. Sorry chaps. |
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