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alastairq



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would think there is a temptation among money driven buyers to turn it into a so called 'special'.


I think I can sympathise with their activities?

There will be a lot of cars of the above ilk which, due to their construction, bodily, become a fearsome project to put right?
Whereas the chassis & running gear may be in far better condition [relatively speaking]....so it might seem easier to stip the body off and build something 'better, more sound' onto the chassis?

Which is where a lot of the kit car industry first started?

A case if 'expediency,' methinks?
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The car here is eminently restorable. It clearly hasn't been messed about with and had been kept under cover by one owner since the 1960s.

One would of course need to inspect it to be certain but the sales blurb reads like the only real damage has been to the wool headlining and carpets.

Of course, I am just the kind of blinkered fool who would try to restore a car like this and before too long realise that it was beyond economical repair.

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badhuis



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Ray. What a wonderful car.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

badhuis wrote:
I agree with Ray. What a wonderful car.


One problem I would have is how to get a heavy non runner up my Drive from the road and into the garage at the top of the slope. It has always been a problem. Although I own the land, I dread having to park up outside my gates on the grass verge until I had the car running.

Reversing a loaded trailer up the steeply curving slope of my drive would take some doing .!! Shocked
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alastairq



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you need, is a cheapo 12 volt winch? Anchored somewhere convenient at the top, & if the wire isn't long enough, a few ex-lorry ratchet straps[less the ratchets] will hook together and be strong enough.
if you splashed out & got a remote controlled winch[no tether, in other words] you could also stagger up alongside the vehicle , occasionally twitching the steering wheel hither & thither.
Also useful to have a walking stick with a large wood wedge nailed to the bottom...to slip under a convenient road wheel if a halt needs to be called?

Just suggesting..... Smile
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alastairq wrote:
What you need, is a cheapo 12 volt winch? Anchored somewhere convenient at the top, & if the wire isn't long enough, a few ex-lorry ratchet straps[less the ratchets] will hook together and be strong enough.
if you splashed out & got a remote controlled winch[no tether, in other words] you could also stagger up alongside the vehicle , occasionally twitching the steering wheel hither & thither.
Also useful to have a walking stick with a large wood wedge nailed to the bottom...to slip under a convenient road wheel if a halt needs to be called?

Just suggesting..... Smile


I welcome your suggestions. The problem is that my drive turns a sharp 90 degrees as it climbs some 150 feet to the garage.

Unfortunately, I don't have anywhere to anchor a winch.

I would struggle to reverse a loaded trailer - even with my Range Rover - up hill and round a corner....but I suppose it could be done?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2025 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
I welcome your suggestions. The problem is that my drive turns a sharp 90 degrees as it climbs some 150 feet to the garage.

Unfortunately, I don't have anywhere to anchor a winch.

I would struggle to reverse a loaded trailer - even with my Range Rover - up hill and round a corner....but I suppose it could be done?


Souped-up caravan mover, perhaps? Smile
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2025 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sorry to say that I have never seen a caravan mover. I tend to avoid caravans!

What started this question was when I towed the Dodge Brothers tourer home, I ruined the trailer bar trying to reverse up my drive. It was not up to the task. Rather than buy a heavy duty bar, I resorted to fitting a small mattress between the back of the Dodge and the front of the Range Rover and engaging low gear. It worked a treat.!

The situation is of course hypothetical as I don't have another car yet... but I suppose what I am saying is that I wouldn't want to start up an engine that had not been run for many years, without giving it a thorough investigation first....and I would want it in the garage for that!

Even if it is not seized , the bores of a long disused engine could have rust in them, so I would want to get everything cleaned up and give it the best chance of avoiding the kind of damage that so often happens with barn finds.

AS I say, it a hypothetical situation ...but in my dreams that two tone grey Mk 6 Bentley with it's original blue leather interior, is parked on my drive .... Very Happy
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alastairq



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2025 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the bend, an anchor on the outside of the bend, and a pulley through which the winch cable runs.
At a certain point, proceedings are stopped, trailer [or vehicle?] chocked, and the pulley removed and left to 'hang' on the winch cable. Winching is then resumed.

A 'caravan' mover is an [usually electric?] powered device, a motor, and a wheel. This is connected to the trailer hitch as per the car, and, with a long pole attached to the mover, power is applied and the trailer is moved.

I do not know how such a device would cope with a steep gradient, however.

Final suggestion for today.....Assuming your Prime Move [Range Rover??] has a strong front bumper [winch-type bumper might be best?]..bolt on a trailer towball, and use the RR to push the trailer {& vehicle?] up the hill & round the bend?

A sly visit to a caravan site might give clues as to how they move vans around?

I have a fairly steep gradient in my garden, at the side & back, up to what passes for a large workshop, with a 'parking' place alongside.

In order to get m small vehicle trailer up & out of the way, I use the electric winch I bolted to the front....attaching the free end to something that won't move easily, up the top of the garden [often, my Cannon, sans motor, and well chocked]....and winch the trailer up the slope, backwards. This allows me to 'steer' the thing using the jockey wheel, etc, over the various boulders, drains etc encountered on the way up. Works a dream, but requires a decent battery..[one that is no good for vehicle use, but can be charged sufficiently to operate a small winch]..I also use this affair, to get heavy items up & down the slope, including chassis, etc...

My daily Suzuki [now sans squeaks]...Grand Vitara-with-a-chassis, can climb up, straddling the boulders, etc using 4wd. Which is handy when I buy something that's too heavy for a 74 year old to get up there on a sack barrow.

My nice, wide, tarmac drive ends at the font of the house...sadly.
Yup, my 'bush' mechanicking is done mostly outdoors....Bushes do sometimes come into proceedings!
Since I rent...[having long since fallen off the 'property' ladder!] I cannot simply 'do as I please'....So , whilst my landlord is happy if I pay for a garage to be built, the ground alongside the house is sloping,so a large amount of excavating would need to be done to get a level playing field. Then I would lose the ability to get 'vehicles' up & down the garden to the workshop area [or, storage area?]......Whilst there is a sort-of hard standing [for a caravan, or used to be], and I have paid for a smart USA-made car port [which can be taken down should I fall off me perch?]...covered protection is provided by a Dancover portable garage [AKA, tent!] This has been up for around 10 years now.....and the cover is full of holes, repairs, etc so isn't exactly 'rain-tight!' Although it still functions as intended...If ever I get a spare three hundred pension-quids, I'll fork out for a new replacement cover from Dancover....cheaper than a complete portable 'garage', as the frame is still sound, and secure. That should ''see me out,'' as we OAPs are wont to say?
The Dellow is fairly weaher resistant anyway....given its pedigree & purpose?
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2025 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Alastair. Some useful tips for me there.

My wife would have me "get shot" of the Range Rover ...but it is now 25 years old and still under 90K smiles ...so just about "run in". Very Happy

The old gas guzzler (no LPG available now) is just so useful that for what little I would get for it, selling is not very appealing. Besides, it has a nice new battery and I have just had a new petrol pump and suspension swivels fitted.

In Alastair's words.... "it should see me out".... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2025 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally speaking when you see a front bumper mounted tow ball they offset it towards the N/S.

The caravan mover Ray describes reminds me of an electric golf trolley with a ball mounted on a pillar from the base, they super-ceded one which was actually a chain driven jockey wheel, initially hand cranked and then an electric motor version was introduced. A lot of caravan owners now have a system of rollers which are moved to contact the wheels, separate motors, for each side and a wireless control (Bluetooth?) or a hard wired one which gives Forward and Back on each side separately so it can even turn in it's own length.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2025 7:49 am    Post subject: Caravan (Car)movers Reply with quote

Why not a light aircraft mover which are "souped up" caravan movers?
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