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Vintage Fly Guy



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2025 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
I am left wondering how far they had to transport those long poles? Railways and canals aside, roads in Edwardian England consisted of a network of country lanes with high hedges that usually followed field boundaries.

Admittedly, practically every village had a wood yard but even so it could well have been a logistical nightmare.


Traction engines and steam lorries were the main road haulage transport in those days, plus you'd have a good wire rope winch with a traction engine, that could be used to winch the pole into place, if that were more cost effective than manpower.

If you do a search on YouTube you'll find some interesting demolition videos using traction engines and wire rope winches too, usually with bowler hatted Victorian/Edwardian workers clambering all over the building being demolished like mountain goats to attach said winch cable. Not a safety harness or scaffolding in sight! No wonder we ended up with the Health and Safety at Work Act!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would think that must be Mk 4 Zodiac; the zephyr had just the two headlamps. I remember Dad working on a Zephyr in the Garage; he was not very impressed with the handling which suffered from understeer due to the nose heavy design; they put the spare wheel under the bonnet. The V4 engine was also a disappointment.

Still, despite all the negativity some have survived so they can't have been that bad!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2025 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An Instructor I knew, when in Lancashire, had previously been a Class 1 police driver at a time when they had MkIVs. On one occasion he was called to do a high speed organ run from Rochdale to Blackpool, there were few motorways in the area then so it was still a cross country route in those days. He told be that he had the bonnet removed for that run because of the road holding and the engine cooling.
It sounds to me as if the problem was aerodynamic and that the understeer was caused by too little weight on the steering.
Too heavy would generally cause the tyres to "dig in" which would give oversteer unless the tyres were the wrong type for the geometry.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2025 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penman wrote:
An Instructor I knew, when in Lancashire, had previously been a Class 1 police driver at a time when they had MkIVs. On one occasion he was called to do a high speed organ run from Rochdale to Blackpool, there were few motorways in the area then so it was still a cross country route in those days. He told be that he had the bonnet removed for that run because of the road holding and the engine cooling.
It sounds to me as if the problem was aerodynamic and that the understeer was caused by too little weight on the steering.
Too heavy would generally cause the tyres to "dig in" which would give oversteer unless the tyres were the wrong type for the geometry.


The Mark 4 was an odd ball in that it exhibited understeer which could suddenly switch to sharp oversteer if pushed. Apparently, having the spare under the bonnet exaggerated things. Contrary to what one might have expected the coefficient of drag at 0.47 was a 10% improvement on the previous model.!

I never drove a Mk4 but talking of Fords being light at the rear, I knew someone who bought a new "Coke bottle" Cortina where the back end was so light he carried an anvil in the boot!)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
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I never drove a Mk4 but talking of Fords being light at the rear, I knew someone who bought a new "Coke bottle" Cortina where the back end was so light he carried an anvil in the boot!)


My father in law tells me a "similar" story about his Hilman imp he bought in the 60s! He says it was that light on the "front" that he put a bag of sand in the boot (in the front of course) to keep the front end on the road!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 7:16 am    Post subject: Light front end. Reply with quote

I remember driving driving a Volvo 340 in 1985 and when it got to 85 with 3 adults aboard it lost the feel on the steering giving no steering, on the M6. I believe it may have been aerodynamic pressure on the little aerodynamic fairing along the top rear edge of the boot lid.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Light front end. Reply with quote

bjacko wrote:
I remember driving driving a Volvo 340 in 1985 and when it got to 85 with 3 adults aboard it lost the feel on the steering giving no steering, on the M6. I believe it may have been aerodynamic pressure on the little aerodynamic fairing along the top rear edge of the boot lid.


That reminds me of a story I heard "years ago" about yuppies who had standard spec 911 Porsches, and they fitted the "Carrera" engine covers with the trendy air spoiler on the back because "it looked cool", but they did it without the front air dam to work on the front wheels. When they got up to about 100 MPH the aero dynamics lightened the front so much, they didn't have steering.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:07 am    Post subject: Re: Light front end. Reply with quote

bjacko wrote:
I remember driving driving a Volvo 340 in 1985 and when it got to 85 with 3 adults aboard it lost the feel on the steering giving no steering, on the M6. I believe it may have been aerodynamic pressure on the little aerodynamic fairing along the top rear edge of the boot lid.

I didn't have that problem but then I didn't have the extra fairing. I suspect that the spare was under the bonnet for front end weight because the gear box was at the back as a TransAxle.
Handled well in snow with that bit of extra weight on the rear wheels and relatively narrow tyres not great big fat ones that sit on top of the snow instead of cutting down into it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Light front end. Reply with quote

Penman wrote:

Handled well in snow with that bit of extra weight on the rear wheels and relatively narrow tyres not great big fat ones that sit on top of the snow instead of cutting down into it.


Hence why the best car in snow is an Austin Seven Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One intermittent problem I did have with the 340(1.4 petrol basically a Renault engine), which was not identified by a number of mechanics and also AA drivers was a habit of misfiring and engine dying on cold winter nights with a high humidity. 10 to 20 minutes later the engine would fire up and run apparently normally. One night it started to misbehave on the M6 and I started to gradually edge it over onto the hard shoulder from the LH lane because I was only edging over gradually the car got a good shaking from the red cats eyes rumble strip. This cleared the problem and after checking for traffic I got back on the carriageway. I did stop at the next services to give the engine as much of a look over as I could at night. Didn't see anything so wondered if it might have been muck in the fuel tank getting sucked to the outlet and then shaken loose by the rumble strip rattling it got. A couple of weeks later I was doing something under the bonnet and noticed that the intake nozzle for the air cleaner wasn't in it's winter position, so I moved it down to suck up warmer air from near the exhaust manifold.
Didn't have any more engine problems. Eventually chatting to an RAC engineer he told me he used to work in the lake district and had gone to people with the same problem. It was Carb Icing, cold damp air drawn into the carburettor builds up icing round the carb air inlet shortage of air being drawn in causes misfiring andor stoppage. Wait for a while and the heat under the bonnet warms he carburettor body and melts the ice from inside and outside. Engine now starts. The Rumble strip rattling had shaken the ice loose before it had totally shut my engine down.
What I found particularly galling was that having flown light aircraft I was aware of the Carb icing problem because we used to have a Carb Heat switch which was put on in such weather and also at critical flight moments such as Take Offs and Landings as a just in case precaution.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2025 7:16 am    Post subject: Carby Icing Reply with quote

Carby icing is a problem on piston engined aircraft and despite all the warnings over the years rookie pilots occasionally get caught out with it because they had either forgotten about carby icing because they only fly on warm summer days or they didn't think it was cold enough!
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