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Do you like or dislike the new dashboard ?
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alastairq



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2026 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When buying a classic best to establish who did the work and if he was not an engineer

This is the problem with buying an old vehicle, dating from, like as not, back as far as WW2 or earlier.

During its lifetime before it got to our grubby mitts, it might have had many owners....including passing through the 'banger' stage, when it would likely have been seen as just cheap transport for a financially lacking owner or six?

During that period, stuff was used, not for engineering reasons, but, ''needs must'' reasons...

Owners today now reap the dubious benefits....I mean, if something is still secure, who is to know the nut used was the wrong thread for the bolt or stud??

Then we get hold of the vehicle, and start taking it down to its component parts, finding the mismatched fixings, dubious bodges, etc....and roundly laying the blame on previous owners for not doing a 'proper job,....assuming, of course, previous owners, 'way back when, had the idea of restoration rather than running a banger? ' When in reality, they may not have even cared, let alone had any money to spend on such ''trivia?''

Of course, today, the sort of money we spend on rebuilding our old cars, would, in times past, have purchased the financially embarrassed individual a new car???

Our old vehicles, they are what they are...mobile [or not so mobile?] artifacts that openly display their life's history....

I suppose today's equivalent with modern cars would be, buying cheap sensors of Aliexpress or Temu, for what may be pennies, rather than spending hundreds of pounds on OEM items...?

Or spending coppers on cheap Chinese tyres , rather than thousands on high end [Michelin,perhaps?] items...when every pound or dollar counts in life?
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2026 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must have been exceptionally lucky when I found my 1930 Austin Swallow. Not a crossed thread or incorrect fixing anywhere. Although the car had needed considerable repair to the Ash frame, everything else seemed to have been properly serviced. The only real problem stemmed from someone not realising that new standard pistons in a worn block would not work. The engine started easily and ticked over very nicely but was completely lacking in power. The car would only go along at walking pace!.

Once I had established what had happened and had the block re lined I was able to use the new pistons and all was well. Wink
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ukdave2002



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2026 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my 1939 Morris 8 SE I discovered that someone in the past had fabricated a visually fantastic section of the chassis..in fiberglass! Shocked

Initially I has angry, but my as father pointed out, in the early days of the 10 year test/ MOT, many folk with shallow pockets would do what they could to keep a vehicle on the road, and if they had not , chances are the vehicle would have been scrapped.

Whilst not applicable to who ever bodged Ray's TC, we perhaps should be grateful to the bodgers of the past for at least keeping some of our vehicles alive!
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2026 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:
On my 1939 Morris 8 SE I discovered that someone in the past had fabricated a visually fantastic section of the chassis..in fiberglass! Shocked

Initially I has angry, but my as father pointed out, in the early days of the 10 year test/ MOT, many folk with shallow pockets would do what they could to keep a vehicle on the road, and if they had not , chances are the vehicle would have been scrapped.

Whilst not applicable to who ever bodged Ray's TC, we perhaps should be grateful to the bodgers of the past for at least keeping some of our vehicles alive!


AH yes. The ubiquitous Series E Morris. My Dad had a soft spot for the Morris 8 - he had quite a few of them.

However, he was not best pleased when I found that the floor in the Series E had been repaired with paper mache! Yes, someone had fabricated a floor panel from chicken wire and paper mache. Actually, it was very good! Strong and stable ...and what's more it doesn't rust!

We traveled the length and breadth of the country in that car. Dad wanted a garage business - and found a few - but the accommodation was never good enough for Mother.!

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Ray White



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2026 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So...just as I thought I might be over the line with this build...another set back.!

I was just telling Jean that the restoration was finished when she noticed a petrol smell. On further investigation I found the petrol leak was around the sender unit on the tank. I thought I had done everything I could to avoid this; including sealing the screw threads, but my efforts have come to nought.

I was never happy with the condition of the original sender unit so may well order a new one. I am hoping it will come with an ethanol proof gasket.

I wonder if Wellseal is effective as a sealant in the presence of ethanol petrol?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2026 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder if Wellseal is effective as a sealant in the presence of ethanol petrol?



Out of curiosity, I asked Gargoyle II that very question [copied directly from your text too]

The answer was 'yes,'

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Yes, Wellseal (often called Stag Wellseal) is highly effective and widely used. It is explicitly formulated to be resistant to the majority of commonly used fuels, including modern ethanol-blended petrol.Key Characteristics of Wellseal:Fuel Resistance: It will not dissolve or degrade when exposed to petrol, even with ethanol blends.Application: It is a non-hardening, non-setting compound, making it perfect for metal-to-metal machined faces and threaded connections (with or without a gasket).Corrosion & Fillers: It is non-corrosive and free from abrasive fillers.Best Practices for Use:Preparation: Ensure all mating surfaces are completely clean, dry, and free of oil or debris.Curing Time: Apply a thin smear and allow it to dry for about 10 minutes before assembling the parts.Limitations: While excellent for gasket dressing and casing joints, it is not an instant gasket or a tank liner. For large-scale rust protection or sealing porous fuel tanks, you should use an ethanol-proof epoxy-based tank sealer (like WASSEAL Tank Sealer).

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bjacko



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2026 8:08 am    Post subject: Morris 8 Ser E Floors Reply with quote

I always thought these floors were plywood?
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2026 10:33 am    Post subject: Re: Morris 8 Ser E Floors Reply with quote

bjacko wrote:
I always thought these floors were plywood?


Yes they were 3/8" plywood supported by steel cross rails.

Perhaps I am getting confused with the boot which would have been steel?

It was all a long time ago.
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ukdave2002



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2026 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the SE has plywood floors, the boot floor is part of the chassis, they don't usually rust, or certainly are not the first part of the chassis to rot!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2026 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I investigated the leaking sender unit again today. I have jacked up the rear of the car and removed the spare wheel to get a better look. I shall firstly need to drain the tank. Although I could probably reseal the sender unit with the tank in situ, the paint has been badly damaged so it seems I shall have to remove it for repainting. The spare wheel support frame also really needs to come off to avoid further paint damage.

Once the tank has been drained, the fuel line will have to be disconnected. Both the rear wheels will have to come off so I can get to the bolts that attach the tank to the rear wings. When the bolts are removed I will then need to detach the two tank straps and remove them. To do this the hood needs to be erected so as to give access to the bolts in the back panel. It is then a simple matter of removing the strap securing nuts at one end and the two bolts at the other.
I will need to be very careful not to damage the electronic hydrostatic sender unit so may need to remove it also.

I am not sure how much paint I have left; hopefully I will not have to buy more!

Jean thinks someone is trying to tell me something. Perhaps it is the spirit of Jack Bond the first owner, who came to grief while racing TC10,030 in Australia. He lost an ear and nearly died in an accident.

Maybe I am not meant to finish this particular car?

Who knows?

Whatever is going on, it is all getting a bit much. Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2026 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cars not called Christine by any chance?
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2026 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:
The cars not called Christine by any chance?


No, it's called Micky.

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Ray White



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2026 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On reflection I am tempted to try and repair the paint with the tank in place.

Having drained the petrol out and removed the sender unit, the cause of the leak, it would seem, is entirely self inflicted. The gasket that I made from normal gasket material had soaked up the Stag Wellseal and eventually dried out.

I thought about buying some 'Flexoid' gasket material but on further investigation the sender unit is not even working. There seems to be a unique, fine spring which has broken and the general condition is poor, so, as they are available, I will buy a new one which will come with a gasket.

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Keith D



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray,

I am impressed with your professionalism that you have maintained over what has turned out to be a very long restoration.

I'm sure it won't be long now before you can reap the benefits of basically a brand new TC.

Keith
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith D wrote:
Ray,

I am impressed with your professionalism that you have maintained over what has turned out to be a very long restoration.

I'm sure it won't be long now before you can reap the benefits of basically a brand new TC.

Keith


You are very kind. I appreciate encouragement.

With any luck, this will be the last set back and I should have the car on the road before long.

There must come a time when there is nothing more that can go wrong?

One small benefit from the leaking sender unit fiasco is that by fitting a new one, I will (or should) have an operational low petrol level warning light on the dashboard; presently it is dormant. This was an original feature of the car so it would be nice to have it as a compliment to my new petrol gauge.

The way it works is one side of the light on the dashboard is fed 12 volts from the fog lamp switch next to it. From the other side of the light a green and black wire goes all the way back to a terminal on the top of the sender unit in the tank. When the petrol level drops to a low level the arm with a float on it completes a circuit to earth within the unit causing the light to come on.
It may seem dangerous to have an exposed make or break electrical connection saturated in petrol...but I am assured by those in the know that it is perfectly safe.!!
Shocked Confused Surprised

So...if the circuit is completed within a sender unit that is insulated from the tank, how does it get a good earth? Could the petrol itself be used as the pathway?

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