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buzzy bee

Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 3382 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: Motorbike Liecence |
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Hi
What do I need to do to ride a:-
A.) 50cc moped?
B.) 125cc Bantam
c.)175cc Bantam
D.) a slightly larger bike of about 400 - 500cc
Considering I have past my car license after 2003, and what bike test options are there?
I am 23 for anyone who is new around here!
Cheers
Dave |
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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4850 Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
In theory you can ride a an upto 50cc bike, Category P, on you current licence without taking a test, however I would recommend that you do the CBT (compulsory basic training) which all new provisional licence holders have to do.
For Category A and or A1 you will need the old L plates
These are quotes from the various direct.gov pages.
You need to talk to a bike instructor. ask at you local bike dealer for a recomendation, to find out what classics fit in what category, it may well be that the 125 Bantam has too much power out put for the current rules
Quote: | Light motorcycles with a cubic capacity not exceeding 125cc and a power output not exceeding 11kW (14.6bhp) A1 17
Motorcycles up to 25kW(33bhp) and a power to weight ratio not exceeding 0.16kW/kg. Motorcycle combination with a power to weight ratio not exceeding 0.16kW/kg A 17
Any size motorcycle with or without a sidecar A 21*
* Age 21 if the rider passed the test for large motorcycles as part of the Direct Access scheme, or two years from the date of test pass if the rider passed the test on a standard A motorcycle (power output up to 25 kW (33 bhp) or a power to weight ratio not exceeding 0.16kW/kg.)
MotorcyclistsDirect access scheme
Direct access is a scheme which allows a person over the age of 21 to avoid the two year/25 kW restriction by taking a test on a machine of at least 35 kW (46.6 bhp). A pass allows you to ride any size of bike. Any instruction given on a machine that exceeds the normal learner motorcycle specification must be supervised at all times by a certified motorcycle instructor who should be in radio contact. You should also wear fluorescent or reflective clothing and follow all other provisional licence restrictions.
Accelerated access
Riders who reach the age of 21, while still within the two year period where they are restricted to maximum 25 kW (33 bhp) machines, but who wish to ride larger bikes need to pass a further test on a motorcycle of at least 35 kW (46.6 bhp). They may practise on bikes over 25 kW (33 bhp) under the same practice conditions for direct access riders. You will revert to learner status while practising (on a motorcycle greater than 25 kW (33 bhp)) although test failure will not affect your existing licence. |
Last edited by Penman on Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:00 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4850 Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
Should have also said that you will need to do the theory test for cat A etc and also the new Euro style practical test which includes off road manoeuvring round cones at 50kmh. |
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buzzy bee

Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 3382 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Right will have to look into that too, doesn't stop me getting a bike and playing about on it I don't suppose, on farmland of course.
Cheers for that penman.
Dave |
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Rick Site Admin

Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 22778 Location: UK
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dalbuie

Joined: 24 Dec 2007 Posts: 408 Location: Gullane
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: |
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When I saw all the changes coming many years ago I did a weeks lessons and sat the test on the Saturday. So much simpler then, but if I was doing it now I'd go for the direct access. |
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buzzy bee

Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 3382 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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I think I may save a few extra pounds and do the direct access, maybe when the weather picks up a bit, then I can do it of an evening.
Came as a bit of a surprise and is still a bit touch/go
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Dave |
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Jim.Walker

Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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If you successfully do your test on a small bike, say 125cc you will be able to ride anything up to 33 BHP which includes most classic 500s. Both my Triumph 500s are rated at 27 BHP. Modern 500s may exceed that. After (I think) 2 years you can ride anything. |
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Jim.Walker

Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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If you successfully do your test on a small bike, say 125cc you will be able to ride anything up to 33 BHP which includes most classic 500s. Both my Triumph 500s are rated at 27 BHP. Modern 500s may exceed that. After (I think) 2 years you can ride anything.
You have until March to avoid the new testing system! |
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buzzy bee

Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 3382 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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I have heard the new scheme is something to avoid at all costs!
I will have to scrape together some cash, and find the situation/waiting lists on tests, and book in if I can, then perhaps an intensive course or two!
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Dave |
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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4231 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Dave
My father in law (who is now 60!) is restoring a 1982 Suzuki 650 Catrina? (the bike I picked up for him a couple of weeks ago, fom Anglesey) , he is doing some form of "fast track" course, I think he has to take his test on a 175cc rented bike, after the exam/ classroom bits, its about £400 all in.
Dave |
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Jim.Walker

Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Come on Dave! Is it a sin to be 60? If so I've been sinning with a clear conscience for many years and I have three motorbikes. |
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buzzy bee

Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 3382 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:29 am Post subject: |
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ukdave2002 wrote: | Hi Dave
My father in law (who is now 60!) is restoring a 1982 Suzuki 650 Catrina? (the bike I picked up for him a couple of weeks ago, fom Anglesey) , he is doing some form of "fast track" course, I think he has to take his test on a 175cc rented bike, after the exam/ classroom bits, its about £400 all in.
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Sounds quite good value, is he local to us?
Cheers
Dave |
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pigtin
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 1879 Location: Herne Bay
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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I did a similar course back in 96 at this time of year. Hadn't ridden a bike in years and had just restored the Ariel. Best fun I've had with my clothes on and it dosen't half sharpen up your car driving.
Don. _________________ Due to the onset of my mid eighties I'm no longer sprightly and rarely seen in my Austin special. I have written a book though. https://amzn.eu/d/7rwRRqL |
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buzzy bee

Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 3382 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
Well done the CBT today, froze my royal parts off, so stopped and bought some bike trousers on the way home, now bar the boot (which my size causes an issue) am pretty set up.
I was told like Jim said earlier, if I do a test on a 125 cc bike I can ride most classics, and it is about half the price of direct access which will be about £700 + test fees, so probably £8-900.
The question I did not ask is that you can ride a 125 CC bike on L plates now I have the CBT, can I ride a 150 cc if it has a power less than 33 bhp with Plates shown? If so I can practice on the roads on the bike we have, if not I can practice on tracks off road, and then I will have to by a 125 cc bike to practice on.
Anyway, got the CBT which is a good start, quite awkward I found having not ridden a geared bike before, and having all of the control on my rear footbrake, not on the throttle.
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Dave |
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