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wesser
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 7
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:50 pm Post subject: Ford Pop King Pin |
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I have a "sit up n beg" 103E Ford Pop, I have bought a new king pin kit.
I assumed that I would need to ream the bushes but it seems you broach them because they are split.
Does anyone know anyone who does this? Or can anyone lend me the Ford A/CY-3109 kit?
Cheers. Tim. |
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Jim.Walker
Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Ford Pop (E93A models and similar Fords) used to require King Pin attention quite regularly. Often the result of MOT failure.
I must admit we used to ream them and we never had any (premature) comebacks. _________________ Quote from my late Dad:- You only need a woman and a car and you have all the problems you
are ever likely to want". Computers had not been invented then! |
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wesser
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 7
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Nice one Jim, I don't suppose you still have your reamer do you? Or remember the size please.
Cheers. Tim |
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Roger-hatchy
Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:41 am Post subject: |
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A Neighbour has a Ford Pop that he renovated from a breaker rescue
I'll ask him if he still has the reamer, or knows the size.
Won't see him till tomorrow, Sat 6.
PM me what county your in.
I'd get him to come on site, but most of the people I know are not into computers
Roger |
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wesser
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 7
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for your help Roger - PM Sent mate.
Cheers. Tim |
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Jim.Walker
Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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wesser wrote: | Nice one Jim, I don't suppose you still have your reamer do you? Or remember the size please.
Cheers. Tim |
Sorry? I do remember that with the vastly number of sizes required in a garage that tackled almost anything we normally used expanding (adjustable) reamers, if necessary turning a suitable pilot in our lathe.
A word of caution though. If you do resort to adjustable reamers don't make the fit too tight! The grease needs at least 2 thou. clearance to lubricate the pin and bushes. If grease can't get in it cannot lubricate.
Jim. _________________ Quote from my late Dad:- You only need a woman and a car and you have all the problems you
are ever likely to want". Computers had not been invented then! |
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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4127 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Tim
Kingpin reamers are usually an odd size.... on the morris 8 a new kingpin is an accurately ground 5/8" (0.6250") the puka Morris kingpin reamers are 0.6275", I found an original Morris one on eBay got it for a song! however when I measured it I found it had had a hard life it was just 0.6255, so worn and too small to be of any use!!
So as Jim has suggested an adjustable reamer with a pilot was in order. If you use an adjustable reamer they do tend to chatter especially if the nuts that tighten the blades are not tight.
By the way a great lubricant for cutting is paraffin wax , pack the blades with it before you start to cut, make the job easier and gives a better finish.
Dave |
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wesser
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 7
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advise chaps, So when the bloke said "You just need new king pins" I should of known it was obviously a lot easier said than done!!
Cheers. Tim. |
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baconsdozen
Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 1119 Location: Under the car.
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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The original Ford Mk1 transit workshop manuals said the king pin bushes had to be broached.later ones for the Mk2 (identical assemblies) said that an adjustable reamer (set to the figures quoted in the manual) could be used.I found a very thin oil and plenty of it helped no end. _________________ Thirty years selling imperial hand tools for old machinery(Now happily retired). |
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Roger-hatchy
Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Tim
Have had a word from my neighbour
He has had a look through his tech. books
It seems, as long as they are the right pins, that they are not reamed.
The king pin is a 'press fit' and then the bushes are a 'Tight' fit
He has offered to have the pages copied if you require.
I can do that here and post them on my photobucket then here for you if you so wish.
I will be seeing him again tomorrow and thursday night, preparing the bodywork for respray on Friday and Saturday
Roger |
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Jim.Walker
Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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That would be interesting. It goes against all normal engineering practice and lubrication requrements. _________________ Quote from my late Dad:- You only need a woman and a car and you have all the problems you
are ever likely to want". Computers had not been invented then! |
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Roger-hatchy
Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:53 am Post subject: |
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My thought too
But that is what is in the book, or so he says
He has restored a lot of spares for his car, I think he has a complete car minus bodywork, he is working on another, fourth I think, E93a engine
I'll ask him for the book, scan and post the pages
I used to do a lot of Kingpins when working for VW at the Wood.
If I get a call to collect my paint tomorrow I might pop in and see the gentleman who did my Standard 9 king pins.
He is a profesional vintage car restorer, be interesting to hear his view.
Last time I called in he was restoring a pre war Aston Martin Lagonda.
I believe he is on a Light 15 at the moment.
Roger |
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baconsdozen
Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 1119 Location: Under the car.
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:09 am Post subject: |
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I cant see how that is correct.There are too many dimensions that can vary to end up with a satisfactory clearance every time.
There has to be a couple of thou clearance to allow grease to flow through but any more and the king pin will be sloppy and wear rapidly.I can't see that you hope to arrive at such an accurate fit by pure chance. _________________ Thirty years selling imperial hand tools for old machinery(Now happily retired). |
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wesser
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 7
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Roger-hatchy wrote: |
He has offered to have the pages copied if you require.
I can do that here and post them on my photobucket then here for you if you so wish.
Roger |
Yes please Roger if it's not too much trouble mate,
It will also make a good discussion doccument by the sound of it!
Cheers. Tim |
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Roger-hatchy
Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Finally, or at long last
These I hope are the pages, well the only ones we could find.
These are from a Workshop Manual from Ford
This was printed in 1956 and titled
PAGE 113
PAGE 114
PAGE 120
Hope this helps
As you will notice no mention of reamers BUT what dose "Broach" refer to is that an earlier term for reamer.
Rob said to me "it's all common sense when you take it apart then reassemble"
That might be the case for someone who is in the motor trade, all be it building lorries and trailers.
Some of us need all the help we can get |
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