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Roger-hatchy

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:09 am Post subject: WARNING - WARNING Old tyres & valves |
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A member on a club forum has just posted this.
Thought it worth a mention as it is easy to forget the humble tyre valve.
OK most on here will probably be on tubed tyres.
Also how often do / did valves get change with a change of tyres.
Copy and Paste from wwwessex-classics.co.uk
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Took the coupe out yesterday to see chap foose,(by the way the orange s looks better in real life than the pics)its the furthest the cars been since 1984,about 30 miles.Fastest its been too on the A12.
Anyway on the way rollig slowly in traffic around romford comming home i could hear a clear hissing noise,then it went,"was it the new car next to me with new fuel pump" little further along ,the noise came back,"was it a puncture,mm bit noisey for puncture,noise then stopped,must have been another new car next to me".
No noise anymore,just going under M25,opened the car up,(only to 60mph officer) and (this bit was quick),the hiss came back,the steering wheel pulled right,and i pulled over quick..
No it wasnt a puncture,the valve had popped out from the rim.
Now in the rubber world,this is tyres not condoms or gimp world,they say tyres only have a 10 year perishing life and have some kinda date code on them.This is open to interpertation,how theyve been stored,looked after etc.My tyres are 27 years old (happy birthday),but have only covered a thousand miles or so, they look good,and you cannot get that size anymore,or theyre bloody hard to find.so they stayed on.
The valves however are a different matter,now ive inspected,look good on the top,but the inside had perished,(once i got back i had them changed).the warmth of the tyre going on its run,softened the perishing valve and pop!
Just a warning for anyone buying a set of original wheels and tyres,or driving home a long standing motor...
Thought it would never happen to me.....What if it happened at high speed?? and the mother in law was in the car!!!
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Riley Blue
Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 1751 Location: Derbyshire
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:58 am Post subject: |
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27 year old tyres are scary enough for me thanks - I wouldn't consider driving on them for a split second! |
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PACresta

Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 110
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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riley541 wrote: | 27 year old tyres are scary enough for me thanks - I wouldn't consider driving on them for a split second! |
I agree, 27 years old is over the top especially motoring at 60mph!!! For the sake of the cost of a set of tyres (ok it could be £600+) it is worth the cost to avoid the terrible consequences. |
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SV8Predator

Joined: 24 Aug 2008 Posts: 137 Location: Further up the creek
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | tyres only have a 10 year perishing life and have some kinda date code on them.This is open to interpertation,how theyve been stored,looked after etc.My tyres are 27 years old (happy birthday),but have only covered a thousand miles or so, they look good,and you cannot get that size anymore,or theyre bloody hard to find.so they stayed on. |
What is so frightening about this 'person's' bizarre statement, is that he knows very well that these tyres are ultra-dangerous but he is still prepared to drive with them on a public road? He might well kill himself but what about other road users?
He should be nominated for a Darwin award, I think.  _________________ 2000 Jaguar XJ8 4.0 LWB
1974 Jensen Interceptor Mk III
1969 Jensen Interceptor Mk I |
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Roger-hatchy

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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AH! But what you must notice is Essex
As you all say, for the cost of a set of tyres.
And these days with new tyres and sensible driving they could last a long time.
The person in question has just spent 3 years restoring the car, a p5b coupe, and how much for a persons life?
Not far from here so will keep a wary eye out for him. |
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SV8Predator

Joined: 24 Aug 2008 Posts: 137 Location: Further up the creek
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Roger-hatchy wrote: | Not far from here so will keep a wary eye out for him. |
Good advice! _________________ 2000 Jaguar XJ8 4.0 LWB
1974 Jensen Interceptor Mk III
1969 Jensen Interceptor Mk I |
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Roger-hatchy

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Just hope the latest comment and advice take hold  |
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AustinAnnie

Joined: 11 Dec 2008 Posts: 41
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:52 am Post subject: |
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This is worth noting on a modern-car basis as well.
I'm seeing an increasing number of cars that have had new tyres fitted at other fast-fit centres and have not had the valves changed at the same time - I can only surmise that this is because some centres charge separately for valves and balancing (you often find that the wheel with an old valve is the wheel with the old balance weights).
It's worth learning how to read the date code (though this is probably teaching a lot of you to suck eggs ) - though because the code is only printed on one side of the tyre it's often unreadable unless you remove the wheel. You'll find the date coding after the DOT coding right towards the edge of the mounting flange. It'll be a 3 digit code for the eighties (two digits for week, 1-52 and 1 digit for year ie 42 week of 1982 equals "422"). Three digits followed by an arrow means the nineties, and four digits means anything from 2000 onwards.
The DOT code and date looks "stamped" - because it's not part of the general molding process it looks a bit different to the rest of the markings on the tyre. Don't worry about the rest of the DOT code as that's more to do with USA regs than anything.
first week of 2001 = 0101
29th week of 1998 = 298<
17th week of 1986 = 176
the oldest tyres I tend to see are from caravans and classics (although we don't do a lot of classic tyres, we sure as hell do a lot of caravans) - low mileage vehicles where the tread hasn't had a chance to wear out but the rubber has gone to the consistency of a dog's ball left in the garden for ten years. I used to keep the worst in a "hall of shame" but frankly it was too depressing for words and I chucked them. |
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Jim.Walker

Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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I think all the relevent comments have been aired, though from the English(?) the item is written in, the education or IQ of the original author might be questioned!
This has brought to mind a valve defect I found on my caravan only last week (the very day the posting above was made).
The 'van has aftermarket plastic wheel trims with an inner steel ring to support the fixing "claws". Checking the tyre pressures prior to leaving for a break in the Isle of Wight and around the South Coast, I noticed one valve seemed strangely close to the rim. Removing the trim (previously undisturbed by me) I found the valve was the wrong side of the steel ring. The ring had worn a groove almost through to the central air hole. Obviously I changed it promptly. After the holiday the speedo told me I had covered 1018 miles in ten days - probably around 700 with the van on tow and much of it on motorways. If I had not found it and changed it????!!!!
Jim. _________________ Quote from my late Dad:- You only need a woman and a car and you have all the problems you
are ever likely to want". Computers had not been invented then!
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Roger-hatchy

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:01 am Post subject: |
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OH DEAR
Sorry if I didn't go to Eaton.
GOG |
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Riley Blue
Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 1751 Location: Derbyshire
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Roger-hatchy wrote: | OH DEAR
Sorry if I didn't go to Eaton.
GOG |
I think Jim meant the author of the quote.
And it's Eton  |
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Roger-hatchy

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:20 am Post subject: |
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[quote="riley541"] Roger-hatchy wrote: |
And it's Eton  |
I know I was born not too far from there
Wind up time
Or twin split  |
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Jim.Walker

Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:08 am Post subject: |
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Roger-hatchy wrote: | OH DEAR
Sorry if I didn't go to Eaton.
GOG |
Sorry Roger,
I did not go to Eton either (or Arrow!). Except for through 'Arrow a couple of days ago to get to the RAF Museum at Collingdale!
I have edited my first post to include the word "original". I hope that puts things right.
Jim. _________________ Quote from my late Dad:- You only need a woman and a car and you have all the problems you
are ever likely to want". Computers had not been invented then! |
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Roger-hatchy

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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No problem mate, hence the spelling.
Like the Goons sketch
I've been to Eton
What the collage
No mate I was a grocer
A green grocer
No mate more of a dirty yella colour. |
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lowdrag
Joined: 10 Apr 2009 Posts: 1600 Location: Le Mans
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:06 am Post subject: |
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I guess I am as bad as the next person in ignoring the date codes on tyres, but then mine usually wear out before six years are up. But what on earth is this chap doing with a car that has done 1,000 miles in 27 years? It isn't only the tyres here that would scare me, but the whole of the car.
Now off to check the codes on the trailer  |
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