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Old-Nail
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:29 pm    Post subject: money vs morality Reply with quote

A recent topic regarding those that customise or badly restore old vehicles lead me to thinking about a moral dilemma and how each of us would react to it.

For those that didn't read that particular thread the jist of it was: How should a car be restored? to original spec or otherwise?

The thread ended with my rather unhappy conclusion that in the world we live in so long as you have the money you can make whatever mods you like to your cars even if they are considered outrageous vandalism by others.

Now to my moral dilemma:-

If you were the owner of an immaculate and original classic car worth say £6000, and the local wealthy oik that has just won the lottery offered you £12000 cash for it so he could go banger racing in it do you...

A: Sell and try not to think about it.

B: Refuse and try not to think about it Confused

C: Try to talk him out of banger racing!


So here it is, there's a knock at your door, he's standing there with a big floppy wad of cash that would fix that leak in the roof and more.... what do YOU do! Shocked
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gillberry
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All depends how much you need the money and how strong your morals are , we all have a price and a need .
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buzzy bee
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Depends what car you were thinking of selling aswell I supose, I would be tempted to tell him to get lost however! It is a hard one though, just hope it never happens!

Cheers

Dave
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xkjaguar
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its called fredom of choice old nail
personally both the merc and the jag are modified in so much as different wheels, non standard colours etc
but its how i like them and i'm the one who has to drive them
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Uncle Joe
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point is, we dont really own classic cars, we merely preserve them for prosterity.

Would I sell one for destruction, no, not unless I couldn´t see another way out. If one person is willing to offer say twice market, then so is someone else.

As long as the car can be brought back to original easily enough, things like non-standard wheels and paint dont bother me, its the unchangeable mods that do!

UJ
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Old-Nail
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it interesting that some people (of which I am one) consider themselves merely custodians of an old vehicle who will then pass it to other custodians.

Others consider that any vehicle in their ownership is their exclusive property to be enjoyed as they will, (which of course it is) even to the point of destruction.

Personal choice it is Xk you're right,... can't see why the're making such a fuss about pollution or global warming then really, taking that polluting too is just personal choice... er...isn't it? Wink
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Uncle Joe
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On one of the other topics, I was pointed to a site called retro-rides, where youngsters were actually getting their hands dirty working on cars.

This made me think a little. Should we try to discourage them from modifying their cars and thus destroying classics? or encourage them, as they may become the next generation

Now then, its a warm sunny day here, so back to polluting the atmosphere at 8mpg!

UJ
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Old-Nail
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Now then, its a warm sunny day here, so back to polluting the atmosphere at 8mpg!"


Laughing You only live once UJ - go for it! Cool
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Uncle Joe
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old-Nail, I'll probably live a lot longer now, I've just entered yet another childhood! Laughing

Whales* are fun!!!!! Laughing

*whale: slang expression for C-body Mopars!

UJ
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Brian M
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uncle Joe wrote:
On one of the other topics, I was pointed to a site called retro-rides, where youngsters were actually getting their hands dirty working on cars.

This made me think a little. Should we try to discourage them from modifying their cars and thus destroying classics? or encourage them, as they may become the next generation


I think we should encourage young people to take an interest in working on cars, and as they seem to concentrate on small hatchbacks (Novas, Corsas, Saxos) this will inevitably lead to modifications. There is no street-cred in driving a bog-standard version!

But once they have got the bug, I think this will lead to an interest in classics as they get older and have a bit of disposable income.

In my neighbourhood we have one group of teenagers that hang about on street corners, take drugs, steal and damage other people's property, and another group who modify their cars and then drive noisily past my house at great speed, I know which nuisance I prefer.

But us oldies must be careful not to give them the impression that they must stick to originality if they are to be welcomed into the classic scene.

Having passed the "classic car gene" to my son, he bought his first when he was only 14. It was a 1959 Standard Pennant that was too slow in standard form so he totally stripped it and with my guidance put in a Triumph Toledo 1300cc engine, geabox and back axle, front disc brakes, lowered suspension, all of which required some engineering ingenuity.

He went off to University before it was finished so we sold it on to be completed, but when he was 25 he bought a Porsche 914 that he maintains to a very high standard and spends a lot of time and money seeking out original extras.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about taking the £12000 from the oik, use £6000 of it to restore a similar car and trouser the other £6000?
You may just be able to convince yourself that you have restored the 'status quo'? no? I wouldn't be convinced either.
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old gto
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I`m in the middle on this one. I have a couple cars that are restored to factory original, and a couple all out modified. I feel that a complete car should be kept as whole and original as possible. But I`ve also had cars that were so far gone, or missing so much, that it would be next to impossible to restore it to original. Those cars WERE brought back to life, albeit a different life.
As stated in another reply, I`d say it depends on the car itself.
The car in the original question, NO, I`d not let them butcher it at any price, but would rather encourage them to seek out a rusted hulk of similar make & model.
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Uncle Joe
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last night on TV, they showed an episode of American hot Rod, where Boyd and the gang started to convert a beautiful 59 Impala into a Lowrider. Exactly the thing that we are talking about here. He bought it well over price (my opinion) simply to chop....in my view, a totally immoral thing, both from the seller, and the buyer!

Last time I watch that show......

UJ
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buzzy bee
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I love to watch that show, if only to laugh at what a cock up they make, there are some real silly guys in that garage! Can be carnage though!! Haven't seen it for ages though!

Cheers

Dave
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Uncle Joe
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prefer American Chopper though, at least those guys create instead of destroy....

UJ
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